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  1. Japheth

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    Greetings and Salutations,

    I am new here and look forward to conversing and debating many topics. I am a theological student and pray one day soon to be a pastor. I currently live in Maryland in the flat farm wetland country. Some of you might find me a bit extreme in some areas and shocked in other areas... *Chuckle*

    So here is a basic view of my theological leanings....

    Denomination: Reformed Baptist

    Theology
    - Foundational Theology: 5 Solas of the Reformation
    - System of Interpretation: Covenant Theology
    - Laws of God: Moral Law/Sabbath Keeping/Theonomy e.g John Gill

    Soteriology: 5 Heads of Doctrine - Doctrines of Grace

    Ecclesiology:
    - Worship
    - Doctrine of Worship: Regulative Worship & Dialogical Worship
    - Music: Exclusive Psalmody
    - Instruments: A Capella
    - Decorum: Headcoverings for Woman
    - Polity: Presbyterial

    Sacramentology:
    - System: Means of Grace/Sacramental
    - Number: 2
    - Baptism: Adult CredoBaptism
    - Eucharist: Real Presence/ Real Wine

    Eschatology:
    - Eschatology Hermeneutic: 75% Futurist & 25% Preterism
    - Tribulationalism: Post Tribulationalism
    - Millennialism: Covenantal PreMillennialism
     
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    Hi from NC :D
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Big 'ol HOWDY! from Oklahoma.

    My Sister & Her Husband (retired) live in
    in or near Kensington, MD.

    I'm opinionated, not knowledgeable ;)
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    I'm saved by Jesus including:

    1. Justified by Jesus (past)
    2. Scantified by Jesus (present)
    3. Glorified by Jesus (future)

    Because I'm saved by Jesus, I will
    stay saved by Jesus,
    Ed's quick definition of
    OSAS /once saved, always saved/ - John 3:16-17
    (saved forever by Jesus)

    ME:
    -Music: Col 3:16 : Psalmes, and hymnes, and spirituall songs,

    Col 3:16 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    Let the worde of Christ dwell in you plenteously
    in all wisdome, teaching and admonishing
    your owne selues,
    in Psalmes, and hymnes, and spirituall songs,
    singing with a grace in your hearts to the Lord.

    My first wife (1944-1999) was the church pianist.
    My second wife (living) is the church (same church,
    different side of the church) organist.
    Needless to say:

    Insturments: all to praise God!

    - Decorum: modest clothing for all

    Oklahoma winds in Miles Per Hour (MPH) :

    04 -15 MPH - calm
    16-30 MPH - lite breeze
    31-50 breeze
    51-70 heavy breeze, lite wind
    71-90 wind
    91-110 - serious wind
    ...
    318 - max recorded in USofA (12 miles from me, 03 May 1999)

    Pants are more modest outside than dresses
    and skirts (especially when windy!)

    - Polity: Congegrational

    Memorialology:
    - System: Reminder
    - Number: 2
    - Baptism: Adult Baptism, Trinitarian
    - Eucharist: Real Grape Juice - stays Grape Juice

    Eschatology:
    - Eschatology Hermeneutic: 85% Futurist & 15% Preterism
    - Tribulationalism: Pre & Post Tribulationalism
    - Millennialism: PreMillennial Coming of Jesus
    to a physical Millinnial Messanic Kingdom

    Thumb wrestling anybody?

    Other stuff about me:

    1. born first 25 Sept 1943
    2. born second April 1952
    3. Romans 10:9 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    For if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus,
    and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God raised him
    vp from the dead
    , thou shalt be saued:

    4. Still working 55½-years later!!
    I still believe God raised Jesus UP from the dead
    (and I have thus re-confessed Jesus is my Lord
    and Savior! -- not that I have to re-confess, but it
    sure is as exciting and complete a salvation as the
    day I first confessed & believed!)
     
  5. Japheth

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    Hmm, a First Debate? *Chuckle* Which one would you like to start with, Psalmody, Eucharist? LoL Should we take this to another thread....

    :laugh:





     
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    Welcome to the board, J.
     
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    Hello Japheth!

    A great BIG welcome to the BB from the great state of Illinois!

    Come on down to the COMMON GROUND COFFEE HOUSE in "All Other Discussions", where as Christians, we are all on common ground...

    It is a great place to kick back, relax, and get to know each other. And we have FREE food and beverages!
     
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    Welcome aboard!! :wavey:
     
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    The Reformed Creed

    Welcome to Mars Hill, have fun:
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    Sacramentology:
    - System: Means of Grace/Sacramental
    - Number: 2
    - Baptism: Adult CredoBaptism
    - Eucharist: Real Presence/ Real Wine

    RE: Eucharist: Real Presence/Real Wine.

    Would you please elaborate the mechanism of "real presence"? Also is there a nuance in the term: real wine?

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    Welcome too from another resident of the Free State. I live in Silver Spring. Where are you?

    And since you are a theological student, where are you going to school? The views you report suggest it might be Capital Bible Seminary?
     
  11. Japheth

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    Thank you all for the warm welcome.... :wavey:





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  12. Japheth

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    Thats a loaded question.... :laugh:

    Let me see if I can summarize in 40,000 words or less... :laugh:


    Also know as the Reformed View of the Lord's Supper, true believers by the conduit of the Holy Ghost we ascend to heaven and truly and really feast on the body and blood of Christ who is sitting at the right hand of the Father. It is a memorial which signifies the past redemptive work of Christ on the Cross but it is also the communion of the body and the blood of Christ (1 Cor. 10) which feeds us and spiritually nourishes us and grows us in faith. It is not a sacrifice but it is a sacrificial meal which replaced the Passover sacrificial meal. Christ replaced the Passover sacrifice which was shed 2000 years ago once and for all but in a on going perpetual act we feast on the sacrificial meal which is the body and blood of Christ. Since unbelievers as not the Holy Spirit dwelling in them they do not feast on Christ body but reap curses upon them. The wine and the Bread do not change but remain Wine and Bread.

    I hope I did a short enough and easy enough summary on that... I recommend "Given For You: Reclaiming Calvin's Doctrine of the Lord's Supper" by Keith Mathison.


    For your Second Question you asked about the "Real Wine". There is a number of different reasons here but let me try to give the basic ones...

    1. Since I believe in the Regulative Principle of Worship, Christ commanded Wine in the Lord's Supper not grape juice, so we have no warrant to change what Christ commanded for any reason. Even for pragmatic reasons....

    2. Grape juice can not convey and symbolizes what Wine represents of Christ blood. Wine is unleaven and so represents Christ Sinless Blood. Grape Juice however is leaven which represents sin... (WineMaking 101).

    3. Wine represents Feasting and Joying of Man's Heart (Psalm 104), which represents the feasting and joying of the Lord's Supper. Grape Juice does not represent the same thing.... (Read R.C. Sproul on this)

    4. For 1800 years Wine was not even questioned in the church for the Lord's Supper, not until Welch a Methodist deacon decided he wanted to replace Wine in the Lord's Supper in the 1800s.

    5. A fore shadowing of Christ in Genesis, Melchizedek by which Christ is of the Order of the Melchizedek Priesthood (Psalm 110) brought Abraham Bread and Wine to symbolize what the Lord's Supper would be in the New Covenant.


    I hope this helps......


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  13. Japheth

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    Hi Joseph,

    I live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.... I am in distant Learning from our churches.... ARBCA has seminaries... Most of Montvillian and Topekan Reformed Baptist shy away from seminaries and instead promote distant learning through local pastors and some mod courses during the year....



     
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    Flesh feast in heaven

    This sounds oxymoronic. It is a literal feast; but it is really spiritual and symbolic.

    Please compare this reformed doctrine to the dogma of the holy see, aka: transubstantiation. Also compare with Martin Luther's consubstantiation. May we start using the term carnival in this context?

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    Transubstantiation is that the Wine and Bread are turned into body and blood of Christ and by the mouth carnally feast on Christ Body..

    Consubstantiation is that the Body and Blood of Christ is over and under and beside the Wine and Bread presently together.. Still carnally feasting on Christ Body.. The Lutherans idea allows for unbelievers to feast on his body because Christ is locally present in the bread and Wine along side with the elements... Scripture teaches that Christ is present in Heaven at the right hand of the father..


    Both deny the Chalcedonian Creed which divides the natures of Christ. It also denies the true testament of Scripture that Christ is PRESENTLY sitting at the right hand of the father.

    The Reformed View is BY Faith we partake on the body and blood of Christ.. Not by our Mouths, so not carnally but Spiritually our souls feast on Christ's body and blood. The Wine and Bread only symbolizes what is actually taking place by the true believer. This view can also be called Suprasubstantiation, or "Transcending" presence.

    The Great Baptist Theologian John Gill tells us the same thing in his "Body of Divinity"....




     
  16. Magnetic Poles

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    This thread has taken a disgusting, cannibalistic turn, but should probably be moved to a thread to discuss theology.

    Now excuse me, I have to go to a Donner Party! :laugh:
     
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    What's so cannibalistic about a spiritual feast?

    Donner Party! Now that is gross...... :laugh:


     
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    Cannibals can teach us much.

    My cannibal friends always says to me:

    "We are eager to serve you anytime" :)

    Should not we BB (Baptist Board) members
    be eager to serve one another also? OF course
    we should.
    The Holy Scripture (inerrant and Preserved by God
    for this moment) says:

    Gal 5:13 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition)
    For brethren, ye haue bene called vnto libertie: onely vse
    not your libertie as an occasion vnto the flesh,
    but by loue serue one another.

    (Some spellings correced ... )
     
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  19. Magnetic Poles

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    Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man"
     
  20. Ed Edwards

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    I saw that episode.

    I've probably also entertained angels unawares
    ( or being dyslexic an Angle or two ;) )
     
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