New Mammal Sighted.

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  1. Ulsterman

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    DEEP in the jungle, something stirs. But is it a cat, a dog, a marten, a rare fox, or even — as some surmise — the first new carnivore to be found in South East Asia for more than 70 years?

    The only evidence that exists are photographs taken by an automatically triggered camera on a jungle trail in Indonesia in 2003. Infuriatingly, a large leaf obscured the creature’s face as the shutter went off.

    Undaunted, researchers from the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) announced the discovery yesterday, claiming it as the first new carnivore to be found in the region since the Tonkin otter-civet emerged in Vietnam in 1930.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1905654,00.html
     
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    Could it be an offspring of Japanese Imperial Army stragglers raiseed in the jungle by its dada and taught to camouflage itself so he looks like an animal ?
     
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    Dumb question: What evidence leads to the conclusion that the creature is a carnivore? Did this creature appear to be eating this--was it a "fig" leaf?

    T-rex may have been an omnivorous scavenger or even a celluloid addict--which may have been his downfall--too much greenhouse gas--from the termites--an environmental enigma which still haunts this globe.

    Scientific speculation is oxymoronic.

    Selah,

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    I was wondering the same thing. If the photo does not show its face, and more specifically its teeth, how can they make the call that it is a carnivore?

    Nothing is really know about this "new" animal other than the fact that it (something) exists and it triggered an automatic camera.
     
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    Well, the first clue would be the eyes.
     
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    How do eyes tell if an animal is a meat eater? BTW the OP says that they could not see the face.
     
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    The thing I find interesting about this is the assumption this animal is on the brink of extinction - how do they know it is not a newly evolving species in the throes of overtaking Indonesia?

    I'm not wishing to ignite a creation/evolution debate here, but why do evolutionists always look backward for their evidence and not forward - why is there apparently no evidence of evolution occurring presently?

    I love the omniscience of science. They have only a few photographs of this creature, and they assume it is a carnivore and that it is on the point of extinction. Maybe there are thousands more in there - who knows?
     
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    Click the link. The photo shows the eyes.

    Eyes in the front, animal hunts; eyes on the side, animal hides.

    Also, nocturnal animals have larger eyes than diurnal animals.

    Also, with that sort of eyes, it could be in omnivore, but it would still be a meat eater.
     
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    Sorry, I did not see that the OP contained a link to the photo. [​IMG] I'm not buying making a claim to know that it is a carnivore based on the position of its eyes. The Mountain Gorilla's eyes face forward, yet it is not considered to be a carnivore. Likewise, there are some reptiles that are meat eaters with sideways facing eyes (not saying the animal in the photo is a reptile).
     
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    I assume the logic is that since they have not previously seen the animal and it is not currently over-running the country, it must be nearly extinct.
     
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    Looks a lot like Felix the cat, the wonderful wonderful cat.
     
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    Looks like a Ring-tailed Bassaris without the ringed-tail.
    :D
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    Or it could be a cousin to the Lemur (which is not a carnivore). The point being no one knows and more evidence and data is needed before anyone can say for sure what kind of animal is pictured in the photo.
     
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    This sort of reminds me of the rediscovery of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker from Arkansas. This took place earlier this year.
     
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    Rule 1 in good speculation: one must have not a clue.

    Be assured it must fit in the tree somewhere--there are so many blank spaces.

    How would you like to be the first evolutionist to document a duck-billed platypus?

    Whatever it is it is. God made everything--nihil fit.

    Selah,

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    Resembles a Meerkat.
     
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    Both gorillas and lemurs are intentional omnivores (as opposed to incidental), although their prey is small. Also, the position of the eyes only applies to mammals.

    Ironically, on this subject, evolutionists trying to prove that humans should be herbivores, based upon the diets of gorillas, chimps, etc., are the ones who led to the discovery that gorillas, chimps, etc., are not herbivores.

    I was thinking that it looks a lot like a meercat.
     

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