New Research: Pastors Deliberately Keeping Flock In The Dark

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  1. poncho

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    Research Confirms What I Have Been Saying For Years


    George Barna is the foremost researcher of modern Christianity in the country. He recently spoke about a two-year research project studying why modern-day pastors and churches are so silent regarding political issues. The result of his research only confirms what I have been trying to tell people for years. But there was one thing his research uncovered that did somewhat surprise me. OneNewsNow.com covered the story:

    “On Thursday, George Barna--research expert and founder of The Barna Group--shared with American Family Radio's ‘Today's Issues’ about new information he's compiling at American Culture and Faith Institute over the last two years, gauging where theologically conservative pastors are at politically.

    "‘What we're finding is that when we ask them about all the key issues of the day, [90 percent of them are] telling us, Yes, the Bible speaks to every one of these issues. Then we ask them: Well, are you teaching your people what the Bible says about those issues?--and the numbers drop...to less than 10 percent of pastors who say they will speak to it.’

    “When researchers ask those pastors what else they are willing to do to get their people active in the political process, Barna said ‘it's almost nothing.’

    "‘So the thing that struck me has been that when we talk about the separation of church and state, it's that churches have separated themselves from the activities of the state--and that's to the detriment of the state and its people,’ stated the researcher.”

    That 90% of America’s pastors are not addressing any of the salient issues affecting Christian people’s political or societal lives should surprise no one--especially the readers of this column. It has been decades since even a sizeable minority of pastors have bothered to educate and inform their congregations as to the Biblical principles relating to America’s political, cultural, and societal lives. But the part of the research that did somewhat surprise me was this statement by Barna: “What we're finding is that when we ask them about all the key issues of the day, [90 percent of them are] telling us, Yes, the Bible speaks to every one of these issues. Then we ask them: Well, are you teaching your people what the Bible says about those issues?--and the numbers drop...to less than 10 percent of pastors who say they will speak to it.”

    Did you get that? Ninety-percent of America’s pastors say they KNOW that the Bible speaks to all of these issues, but they are deliberately determined to NOT teach these Biblical principles. That is an amazing admission!

    It would have been one thing if the pastors had said that these political issues were not relevant to scripture, and, therefore, they didn’t feel called to address them. But the pastors are admitting that, yes, they KNOW that the scriptures DO relate to our current political issues, but they are deliberately choosing to NOT teach those scriptural principles. Holy heads-in-the-sand, Batman!

    I confess: this statistic caught me off-guard. So, we can forever dismiss ignorance as justification for pastors remaining silent.

    Read More At: http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/1213/New-Research-Pastors-Deliberately-Keeping-Flock-In-The-Dark.aspx
     
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    George Barna hates all traditional churches and believes they are unbiblical. He is a proponent of the offical house church movement and hates the role of pastors in the church. He works at every turn to place the church in the worst possible light that he can.

    He has no credibility.
     
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    A church is a house of worship, not a political action committee. People don't need a pastor to form their political views for them.
     
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    Hate the message? Discount the messenger. Sounds about right.
     
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    This is a strange statement coming from someone who has made claims he either cannot or will not back up with evidence. This guy has the evidence and he's willing to to share it instead of going silent when asked to provide it like someone here we all know. That makes him way more credible than a person that refuses to back up his own statements with evidence in my book.

    How do you measure the success of a church?
     
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    There is nothing about the so called message to hate. Even if it were true a "characterized" there is nothing wrong with what is being claimed.
     
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    Thank you....
     
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    Aren't they suppose to teach their congregations biblical principles on how to deal with what's going on around them?

    I mean instead of blaming democrats for everything while exonerating republicans for everything. Aren't pastors forming their congregations political views for them in this way? Look at these boards. These views had to come from somewhere.

    If anything a pastor should be willing to place the blame where ever it happens to fall instead of shielding their preferred political group from being held accountable like they do so often. IMHO.

    Corruption runs rampant in our government top to bottom but preachers only seem interested in addressing the corruption in the "other" party. Is that biblical?

    And yes I noticed you didn't answer my question to you Rev.
     
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    This entire article is vague about what exactly the author (and you) believe pastors should be speaking to their congregation about. Can you give some specific examples that a pastor should be speaking about, but aren't?
     
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    No surprise at all.

    I would guess that 90% of pastors (maybe even the same 90%) also preach a watered down version of the gospel.

    Wouldn't want to offend anyone, now would they?
     
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    So you want pastors to play the blame game. Instead of preaching the gospel, or preaching discipleship, or teaching doctrine, or sanctification, they should be engaged in identifying who is to blame for the political problems our nation is facing. Really? Pure poppycock.
     
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    Do you set out to turn everything I say 180 degrees or does it just happen by accident? It seems to consistent to be an accident.

    Jesus spoke out against the corruption of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Are you saying what Jesus did was "pure poppycock"?

    How successful is your church?
     
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    You said: If anything a pastor should be willing to place the blame where ever it happens to fall

    And then I said: So you want pastors to play the blame game.

    How is that turning what you said 180 degrees?

    Jesus spoke out against government corruption? Show me. Chapter and verse.
     
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    It is not possible that pastors keep their people in the dark about anything.
     
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    I see you edited your reply from:

    "Jesus spoke out against corruption"

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    "Jesus spoke out against the corruption of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

    Last time I looked they were not political parties to be blamed.

    Now, I'm certain you will accuse me of turning your statements 180 degrees, but any reasonable person reading your posts in this thread can see that you are disappointed that evangelical pastors do not blame the Republican party for the political problems in the USA.

    So this is the point of your post. How pathetic.

    Divert, distract, deflect. Typical.
     
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    I prefaced that with this.

    You then took half of what I said and tried to make it sound like that's all I said. But that's not unusual for you though.

    Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"

    Matt 15:1-3 "Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"

    Matt 23:1-5 "Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men."

    Acts 15:10-11 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

    Matt 15:14 "They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."

    Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."

    Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

    Matt 23:25-26 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    Matt 23:27-29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

    Matt 23:5 "But all their works they do to be seen by men."

    Jesus didn't seem to be to keen on hypocrisy did he?

    Wonder where today's Christians are getting it from? The pulpit maybe? The TV? Their political party? The world we're in but not of?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl1qf8y2iD4#t=1625
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vfcsh1gQgg

    Bet this sermon will never be preached in the Rev's church.
     
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    No, he wasn't. Those verses have nothing to do with condemning government corruption, political parties, or politicians. Fail.
     
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    For this to be true, only 10% of pastors would be preaching the word of God and not falling into the Joel Osteen area of preaching as he chooses what he will/will not preach also. If you preach the word, you'll address everything that man has ever encountered. There is NOTHING new under the sun.

    Preach the word and leave the worship of politics out of the pulpit because it's OBVIOUS that a lot of pastors and their congregations have no sense for when politics has usurped the rightful place of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Okay then history is wrong, the Pharisees didn't rule over the Jews.

    You know you should get a job rewriting history you have much experience at it already.

    Jesus pointed out corruption. Period. Today's preachers point out the democrats corruption and run cover for the republicans who are every bit as corrupt. If you and the rest of the neocon cheering gallery were even close to being honest men you'd have to admit that.

    I won't hold my breath.

    You like to play these little word games and pick out little bits and pieces of what people say to attack don't you?

    You like asking questions, but not answering them. You like to demand evidence but not providing it. You like to defend the official conspiracy theories but say you hate conspiracy theories.

    What it is that makes people so contradictory anyway?

    Look at the Rev and TND, both of them claim to be in favor of liberty. Until someone actually tries to use it then it's "bring down the police state on them!!"

    You say you don't like conspiracy theories but if the conspiracy theory is sanctioned by the government and media despite all the gaps and discrepancies and lack of solid evidence or in the case of Ukraine a total lack of solid evidence you'll defend it to the point of ridiculousness.

    Why is that? I just don't get why you guys can't be consistent.
     

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