New York Begins to Alter Policy on Gay Marriage

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  1. Dragoon68

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    If the citizens of New York disagree with this policy, then I suggest that they take actions to have it stopped/overturned.
     
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    I agree with that but also think the citizens of other states had better pay attention to what's happening and make their own stand rock solid because these actions by other states will eventually increase the pressure on others.
     
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    We took our stand in Arkansas in 2004 when we amended our state constitution to insulate our state from such nonsense in other states.
     
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    But it didn't really "insulate" your state from such nonsense at all.
     
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    Huh? How so?
     
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    What if your buddy, Obama, is elected and succeeds in getting DOMA repealed?

    Arkansas would be forced by the U.S. Constitution to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. It could spread like a cancer and Arkansas would not be immune regardless of what the state constitution said.
     
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    If we get a president who says theres nothing immoral about homosexuality, and wants doma repealed, it can only get worse.
     
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    Be sure to take note that this is an executive action and not legislative action so it doesn't even necessarily reflect the will of the people of New York.

    The next argument from the homosexals will be that homo "marriages" consumated in states that approve of it have to be accepted in states that don't.
     
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    A President Obama cannot do this alone. The Congress will have to pass a law to rescind DOMA. Personally, I would lobby my representative and my senators to not do so and I think they would agree with my position.
     
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    What's to keep a President from doing like the Governor of New York?
     
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    The U.S. constitution and folks like you and me. :)
     
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    True.

    But democrats will help. Enough of them?

    On an issue like this, who can say?

    But it wouldn't see the light of day if the President, with his veto power, were against it. Obama will be the instigator and leader of the effort. There will be no threat of a veto.
     
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    But only if it's challenged and decided favorably in the Supreme Court. How confident can we be in that decision if the same President gets to appoint a few more members of the court?
     
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    You lays down your money and takes your chances. :)

    You try to convince as many other people of the correctness of your position(s) and hope that the support reaches critical mass.
     
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    So then I conclude that electing Representatives, Senators, Governors, and Presidents that support God's prohibition against homosexuality - most certainly homosexual "marriage" - and are willing to incorporate it into our laws is essential for the proper outcome.
     
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    I advocate that we elect people to public office who believe in the separation of marriage and state. In other words, privatize marriage. In this issue, as well as a plethora of other issues, once government involvement is removed all of us tend to get along a whole better with each other. It's the demand for a "one size fits all" public policy enforced by government force that sets people at each other throat in the political realm.

    Therefore, at a minimum, I certainly don't want the federal government involved in defining what marriage is. It may agree with you and me on that definition today but later on it may not. So let's just keep the federal government out of this question and at least leave the matter up to the individual states.
     
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    I'm with you, Ken. Individual states should get to decide, and the individual states should abide by the people's decision.
     
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    [SIZE=+1]The institution of marriage is not just a private matter. It is a public matter because the husband and wife are recognized by the people through their government as having entered into an agreement with certain rights and certain obligations enforceable by law. If there is no right to regulate this joining together and to specify the legal rights and obligations therein then there is also no right to regulate it's undoing. There is then no legal recourse for the issue of such marriages to their rightful support. There is perhaps no path to clear resolution of property ownership and contract liability. There is then no standard against which to measure marriage because it can be defined by any one in any way they might desire.

    [/SIZE]It is impossible now to limit the matter to the states because the federal constitution requires that states respect the "public acts, records, and judicial rulings" of other states. The next step will be a court ruling that marriage licenses of a given state - regardless of requirements - have to be respected in every other state just like driver licenses are. If that happens then we'll end up with an argument that homosexual applicants within a given state should not be denied the right to marry in that state given on the basis that the same state has then permitted others married elsewhere to live as husband and wife in the applicants' state. The ultimate result will be universal legalization of homosexual "marriage" in all states whether or not the citizens want it or whether or not their state constitution forbids it. It will be decided in the courts - not by the people through their representatives. The stage is already set for it!
     
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    I hope to have time this weekend to start a separate thread making the case for privatizing marriage.
     

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