News: CHRISTIAN LEADERS SAY MIDEAST 'ROADMAP' COULD LEAD TO DISASTER

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  1. Cindy

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    (Washington-AP) -- Christian leaders say President Bush's
    "roadmap" to Mideast peace "could lead to a disaster" instead.
    Former G-O-P presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who
    organized the written appeal to Bush, says the wave of terrorist
    bombings in Israel should make the president reconsider pushing
    for creation of a Palestinian State when -- in Bauer's words --
    "thugs are still in control of the Palestinian Authority."
    The letter's signers include the Reverend Jerry Falwell,
    Dr. D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries, Dr. Richard Land
    of the Southern Baptist Convention and the Reverend John Hagee
    (HAYG'-ee).
    They say Mideast peace will require Israel's neighbors to
    stop terrorism and concede the Jewish state's right to exist.

    [ May 30, 2003, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
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    Totally agree. You can't make deals with terrorists. Not conclusive but one day they will find that Hamas, Palestinian Jihad, and Hezbollah are connected to al-Qaeda. We need to take out the terrorist training camps in Lebanon which is occupied by Syria, to start with.

    Arafat was smiling when he condemned these recent terrorist attacks. That says it all for me. A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

    Besides, the "occupied" territories belong to Israel, i.e. Bethlehem (where Jesus was born), etc.

    I hope and pray President Bush sees the light instead of pushing Israel to give up Jerusalem, etc., which is the plan of the Road Map. The Road Map is a Road Map from hell, in my opinion. :(

    Link about Hamas

    Link about Hezbollah

    Link about Palestinian Jihad
     
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    The letter's signers include the Reverend Jerry Falwell,
    Dr. D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries, Dr. Richard Land
    of the Southern Baptist Convention and the Reverend John Hagee (HAYG'-ee).

    the road map is a disaster only for those who are Christian Zionist and/or dispensational premill-pretrip. These make up a fringe minority of Christians. Most Christians, those desiring peace in the Middle East will be very supportive of the road map and see it as a path to peace. God will take care of getting Jesus back at just the right time.
     
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    Don't you think that the Lebanese people have suffered enough at the hands of Israel?
     
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    I wonder if the road map includes taking out the terrorist camp training in London, England? Some of those weird blokes have made their way there too.

    I am not sure there is an easy solution to the Middle East problems. The Palestinians have been denied, even by their own people, Jordan.

    I am afraid hatred is inbred over there on all sides. Violence is never an answer and any effort toward peaceful coexistence is certainly welcome by sensible peoples of the world.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    the road map is a disaster only for those who are Christian Zionist and/or dispensational premill-pretrip.

    While I'm no fan of the current road map, I must agree with Bob regarding his statement. I prefer to leave politics in the hands of the politicians & leave philosophy in the hands of philosophers.
     
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    Agreed! Our focus as SBC, churches, or other Christian organizations should be to tell of Jesus' love, grace, and mercy; if we did that as good as we try to play politics, who knows what could happen.
     
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    InHim, brush up on your history. Lebanon was invaded by Syria several years ago, and Syria remains there occupying Lebanon to this day, specifically in the valley where the terrorist training camps are located. Lebanon would welcome having it's land back from the hands of Syria, according to some Lebanese diplomats seen on cable news. [​IMG]
     
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    I must say, the anti-semitism on this board never ceases to amaze me. I notice how all the Jew haters flocked to jump on my post (as usual).

    So I guess it doesn't matter to any of you that Arafat was smiling through his teeth as he condemned the homicide bombings - 5 of them in about 48 hours, killing innocent men, women, and children. Disgusting.
     
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    the problem is Isreal has in the past made concessions to the PLO and the violence has only escalated. The stated goal of all of these organizations is the destruction of the nation of Isreal. They will not stop or be happy until that is accomplished.
     
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    I suggest you brush up on yours sheeagle - Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982.

    In 1982 they allowed the slaughter of around a thousand civilans at Sabra & Chantila (which Sharon was later condemned for in the Israeli Kahan commission report).

    In 1996 Israel attacked southern Lebanon, shelling Qana and killing 100 civilians. At the end of the two weeks of Israeli shelling more than 150 civilians had been killed.

    But I am sure that citing historical facts makes me 'anti-semetic' in your eyes, childish name calling does not an argument make.
     
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    must say, the anti-semitism on this board never ceases to amaze me. I notice how all the Jew haters flocked to jump on my post (as usual).

    This is truly the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Opposition to Israel doen't equal anti-semitism. Israel is a secular state equally as guilty of wrong as are the palistianens ... I favor a jewish homeland ... as long as they do not insist on ethnic cleansing ... and a palistianen homeland .. like Gaza and the West Bank. The Israelis are illegalling occuping both the places and should get out and let the owners of the land get on with the lives they had there for the past several hundreds of years. BTW I think that suicide bombers are evil as well.
     
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    InHim, wrong again!

    http://www.meforum.org/article/179


    Oh yeah, BTW, there was that little thing called the Six-Day War, too.

    1967 - Six Day War Link (some history)

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    Sure it does. Otherwise, you're casting your vote with the terrorists.

    Polls have shown that the majority of Palestinians favor the terror homicide bombings of Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigage, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestinian Jihad as well as other terrorist groups. As stated above, they want to drive Israel into the sea.

    Shame on those who promote, defend, and justify the homicide bombers and their agenda.
     
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    Amen SheEagle!!!!

    It was the VERY same arab apeasement and anti-Israeli prejudice which instituted the White Paper, and closed down the immigration to Palestine, (established under the Balfor Declaration), just as the ovens were cranking-up in Germany.

    This arab apeasement and anti-Israel prejudice so prevalent in so many posters, does nothing but leave Israel vulnerable and caters to rabid dogs.

    That same form of anti-Israel prejudice which bobfrgsn and others post, exactly mirrors that which was so prevalent in the US and Briton, pre-WWII, which directly contributed to enabling the Nazis to butcher 6 Million Jews. It was this prejudice which sent the SS St Louis back to Europe, after the Jews had escaped the Nazi clutches. The peaceniks and anti-Jews kept our doors closed to a thousand Jews on-board, and we sent hundreds directly back to their deaths in the Nazi Concentration camp.

    It is absolute self-denying prejudice at its most repugnant, and is MOST dangerous to Israel.


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    Sure it does. Otherwise, you're casting your vote with the terrorists

    Would that be Arab Terrorist or Israeli terrorist? Opposition to the ethnic cleansing desired by Lukid Israelis is not anti-semitism.
     
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    Your statement about the Lukid party is absurd - more propaganda put forth by the World Socialist Web Site (yeah, I saw it myself just now) and the pro-Palestinian intifada regime. It is no surprise to me that Nazis, Muslims, Socialists, Communists, and some so-called Christians have linked up to exterminate the Jews. No surprise at all. (Satan has tried to eliminate the Jewish people / Israel for thousands of years.)

    Israel has never had nor does it presently have a policy of ethnic cleansing - proof being that many Palestinians come and go to jobs, etc., among the Jewish people, unless you, like the Palestinians consider the IDF rooting out terrorist killers to be ethnic cleansing.

    Oh, and how many Israeli / Jewish / Christian homicide bombers have done their dirty deeds in Israel?

    How many Jewish children are taught to blow themselves up with bombs?

    How many Jewish children are taught from the time they are born to drive the Palestinians into the sea?

    Israel has shown GREAT restraint, in fact; Muslim countries would have indeed lined up all non-Muslims and executed everyone a long time ago, had the situation been reversed ( or even without homicide bombings ever having taken place - in fact, they torture and execute Christians anyway).

    Never in a million years would any Muslim nation have put up with constant homicide bombings slaughtering and maiming hundreds and thousands of ordinary citizens by Jews or anyone else, for that matter - the ethnic cleansing would have been done a long time ago.


    Please spare me the socialist and pro-Muslim intifada rhetoric - it really is offensive for people to get on here and defend evil, especially by spewing falsehoods propagated by Jew haters.


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    The Palestinian Road Map for Peace is a Road Map from Hell.

    And if President Bush pushes it through, he will lose the next election - his term will be finished. And America will face the judgment of Almighty God. 09/11 will pale.

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    Hey, folks, let's take a breather here...

    First, opposition of an Isreili state does not equate anti-semitism. OTOH, I don't think there's any reason to oppose an autonomous State of Israel. Personally, I support the existence of the State of Israel. Otherwise, the Jews would be without a homeland in the world. What I don't support is an Isreili state that is run by theocracy. Likewise, I support a Palestinian state as well. What I don't support is terrorism by either sides. It's unfortunate that too many people will condemn the terrorist actions of one side, and condone the actions of the other.

    We need to condemn the actions of both.

    Other than that, what other issue is it that makes the topic so hot? Is it religion? There's been much posted about having to support Israel because they're God's people. Am I the only one to point out that the decendents of both Isaac and Ishmael are children of Abraham? You certainly can't condemn one as being a false faith unless you do both. Based on that, my support for the people of the region is not based on religious grounds.
     
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    What President Bush and others are aware of, and what the general American public is NOT aware of, is the background of the new Palestinian Prime Minister, Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen.

    He was one of the founders of Fatah, a terrorist organization. He was also Secretary General of the PLO, another terrorist organization.

    Oh, yeah, providing the funding for the murder of the Israeli olympians many years ago. Mr. Abbas has a well documented history of terrorist ties, yet is considered to be a "moderate" by President Bush and the rest of the Quartet. I never knew a leopard could change their spots (unless it was a heart change done by the Lord Jesus Christ).

    Just one more reason the Road Map for "Peace" is a road map from hell.

    http://www.freeman.org/m_online/may03/walz.htm


    Johnv, Ishmael's descendents (from Abraham) have nothing to do with it.

    The Promise, the Abrahamic Promise, AND the land, was given by Almighty God to Abraham through the line of Isaac and Jacob (Hebrew People who made up the Nation of Israel), NOT through the Ishmael line.

    Incidentally, Israel is the ONLY nation in the history of this planet, where land was given to a Nation by Almighty God with the specific boundaries spelled out in no uncertain terms as to what that Promised Land would comprise.


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    Well said Johnv. This is not a religious question it is a political question and should be resolved as such.

    I did come across an interesting passage about the fulfilled of ALL of the promises God gave to Abraham in Joshua 23: 14 "Now I am about to go the way of all the earth. You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the LORD your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed. 15 But just as every good promise of the LORD your God has come true, so the LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you from this good land he has given you. 16 If you violate the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, the LORD's anger will burn against you, and you will quickly perish from the good land he has given you."

    They got and they lost it. Case closed as far as I am concerned.
     

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