News: Falwell's remarks blamed for riot

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  1. rsr

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    Pardon me, Squire.

    From the Associated Press:

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/01112203.htm

    http://cgi.wn.com/?template=worldnews%2Fsearch.txt&index=full&action=s earch&first=0&SearchString=falwell

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    Could you give a one paragraph summary of the article you linked to.
     
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    While I agree with Falwell on this part of his understanding of Mohammad, he failed at knowing how to deliver it correctly.

    I think he should have balanced his one-sided statement by including Jesus as also having been responsible for causing countless Islamic murders and terror during the dark ages with his unclear words.

    Then summed it up by saying that it is man's interpretation of what these great men said that is the real cause of death and terror to others. Further, it is up to each person to find the love they taught instead of the division we think they taught.

    Falwell should move in with Jimmy Carter and keep his mouth shut on international affairs. These men are seen as leaders within the US and what they say reflects our thoughts and values to others. If they can't get it right, it is up to us to tell them to zip it up and get back in line.

    Falwell, ZIP IT UP and get back inside your church where you belong. Leave the politics to the politians, they know how to lie, cheat, and steal. You have no knowledge of the tools of the trade in politics.
     
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    Hi Post-it,
    Got to disagree with this statement on two counts. Mohammad was not a great man, and Jesus was much more. And with all the garbage we here from Farrakan, Ted Turner, and all the other non-politians that people don't get in an uproar about, don't you think that people dying over what Fallwell said is overdoing it a little? Can you say "overreacting"?
     
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    Jesus' words were NOT unclear ... "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1Cor 2:13
     
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    Some complain because our religious leadership says nothing .... then still others complain because they DO say something. The guide is this .... "Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Eph 5:11
     
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    The problem as I see it is not with Brother Falwell. It is with a group of people will meet any perceived criticism of their prophet with violence, no mattter how mild that criticism may be. Brother Falwell's remarks were none too mild, I agree. However, his position is just that his position. He is not speaking for the US Government or any other civil authority. If this statement was made by an official of the US government then these Muslims might maybe have something to riot about. But, Brother Falwell is not in the same position of authority as the immans and ayatollahs are in Islam (no matter what hyperbolic charges are made against him).

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    Squire, therein lies the problem. The ignorant Muslims that rioted as well as the million or so they represent in all probability, most likely don't disconnect our Religious Leaders with our Politicians. In their country the Religious Leaders have more power and represent the masses. So they are rightly outraged when this type of thing happens. It is like going into a kindergarten class and claiming Santa Claus is a Terrorist like Bin Laden.

    We are dealing with ignorant masses here, we have to be careful of what we stir up. Since Falwell is doing nothing beneficial by his international rhetoric, and obviously doing more harm than good, he is to blame. Did you benefit from his words of division? Did the poor ignorant Muslim? Did the intelligent Muslim benefit? Who benefited?.... Jerry Falwell got back in the limelight for church advertising purposes, that is the only one to benefit.

    His hate is getting too much for some of us to stomach anymore, just because he is one of us, doesn't mean he is always right. 90% right and 10% asinine is not good enough for our leadership in the church. Knowledge and Biblical understanding is nothing without wisdom to shepherd the flock properly.
     
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    Jerry Falwell's comments stem from the fact that he loves the Jew and he is one of the world's greatest supporters of the state of Israel. The Bible says that Jerusalem is ".....the mother of us all", and whem someone attacks your mother you usually dont respond in kind.

    Every thing he said about Mohammed is true. You can find it all in secular history books. I,ve seen Falwell on all the T.V. talk shows and he is always a gentleman and not the fire-breathing, rhetoric spouting Elmer Gantry type that the media demonize him to be. He never raises his voice and never butts in while another is speaking. I dont agree with all that Falwell does (probably for different reasons than you do) but he has more integrity in his pinky finger than all these panty-waist liberal "Reverend Milquetoasts" who just want the world's approval and be the media favorites.
     
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    I don't think anyone here doubts his integrity. It's his wisdom that is at issue.
     
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    Dr. Falwell most often comes right out and says what he thinks.
    Arguably that is not always the most tactful method of communication, but I have never heard any "hate" come from him. Being direct does not necessarily equate to "hate". That particular four letter combination is getting to be so overused, it's beginning to lose it's meaning.
     
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    Dr. Falwell most often comes right out and says what he thinks.
    Arguably that is not always the most tactful method of communication, but I have never heard any "hate" come from him. Being direct does not necessarily equate to "hate". That particular four letter combination is getting to be so overused, it's beginning to lose it's meaning.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I stand corrected, I didn't mean to use the word hate. I don't really think he hates any of these groups he speaks against.

    It is more his lack of forethought and timing; and his constant hunger for the limelight that is making me doubt his wisdom.
     
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    I think we would all do well to "turn our eyes upon Jesus" before engaging brain and putting mouth into gear.
    (And of those with disengaged brain, I am the chief... 'specially at this time o' night) ;)
     
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    Post-it, did you say this because:

    A) you actually believe it

    B) you were "just funnin" (I laughed)

    C) you don't actually believe it but wanted to get a response and some interesting discussion going

    Just curious.

    By the way, aren't you just a little bit frightened, having just accused the Creator of you, me, and the universe, who can snuff out your (or my) life with nothng more than a thought, of causing evil through poor communication?
     
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    Do you not believe it is better for a person to to have his hand cut off if it keeps him from faith in Jesus? Extending the argument... If you knew you could not remain faithful to Jesus, would you choose death now, while you know for sure you are saved and going to heaven? If you choose death, it justifies the act of killing Muslims in the Crusades by Christian soldiers who thought that they were doing the heathens a favor by converting them in "verbal confession" then slaying them before they could turn back to Islam. The act was clearly justified by Jesus' own words just as Muhammads words justify killing the infidels.

    We just ignore that concept now just as most Islamics ignore Muhammads ill fated words and rely on the total concept of the message.

    I would still be interested to know if you would choose death now over hell later.

    [ October 13, 2002, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: post-it ]
     
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    Even more proof that Islam is a peaceful religion.
     
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    Post-it -- very seriously -- when are you going to actually start STUDYING the Bible instead of simply throwing some quotes around to support your rather weird point of view?

    Can you hand CAUSE you to sin? It has a mind of its own that CAUSES you to sin? Of course not! A little Bible study or even culture study will show you very clearly that the hand is an idiom for what you do; and, as Jesus said, what you do starts in the heart. So what was He talking about that they understood and you missed? If there is an activity (something you do) that causes you to sin, cut off that activity! Get rid of it.

    Your physical hand cannot possibly keep you from faith in Jesus!

    Quite frankly, it does not matter whether or not I wander. Jesus will come after me. I am His, and that won't change. Once one is born again, the old person is dead. It is not going to be resurrected! The new heart -- the new person -- is a new creature in Christ and that is not going to change. One cannot 'lose' the new creature one is; one cannot lose his or her salvation. Philippians 1:6 says God is faithful to complete the good work He began. My life and my eternity depend on HIS faithfulness, not mine! I'm still learning!

    Well, I didn't choose death and even if I had the argument you present above is false. They did not wait for 'verbal confessions.' They just went on UNgodly killing sprees.

    Somehow, I have a strong feeling you know very little about what either man said, actually...

    We can ignore Mohammad's words if you like and just note his life and actions. He massacred anyone who got in his way, especially if they had money, as the Jews did who refused to convert.

    Jesus was just a 'tiny' bit different...

    The fact that you are trying to equate these two in any way whatsoever is telling me very clearly that you do not really know Jesus.

    Or Muhammad, either, actually.
     
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    Hello Rev.G,

    You have hit the nail right on its head! Let's see Islam and Hinduism are two mutually exclusive religions. One holds that there is only one God based on a radical extreme Monotheism. The other holds that there are many many gods (something like 33 million) based on polytheism. Muslims hate the Hindu religion because they view it as an affront to Allah and they consider its followers to be infidels that must either be converted to Islam or die by the sword. The followers of Hinduism hate Muslims because they, Muslims, eat beef. The Brahman bull is the most sacred animal in Hindu system of belief. The two world religions have been fighting out their disagreements for centuries in India. The British tried to resolve the problem by partitioning the Indian sub-continent into Islamic Pakistan and Hindu India. The two nations have been either at war, or on the brink of war, almost since the original partitioning. Now, according to lead post on this tread and some follow up posters the latest round of violence in this ancient clash of religious cultures is all Jerry Falwell's fault. Pleeeeease give those of us with half a brain a break! Look at the history of Islam and in this case the history of Islam and Hinduism and you will clearly see the violent nature of the culture clash. Face it folks Islam teaches that the infidel shall die by the sword. The religion was founded upon violence and military conquest. Spin it all you want and the underlying principle of "Submit to the will of Allah or die" eventually comes out. Now we have Islamic leaders in Iran calling for Falwell's death. That certainly sounds like a real peaceful, loving, meek, and kind religion to me!

    Wake up all you folks who are calling for simple religious tolerance as the solution to this problem before you one day find the local imam calling down jihad on you because you do not "submit to the will of Allah." The only hope that exists to bring about an end to this violence is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. However, before you can win your Muslim friend to Christ you must fully understand his system of beliefs as well as your own. Particularly, you must grasp the full meaning of the doctrine of the Trinity. If you don't a Muslim will tear all your arguments for Christ to bits.

    [ October 14, 2002, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: BibleboyII ]
     

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