News: Muslim postage stamps?!

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  1. Acts 1:8

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    Kindy remind them of muslim history:

    Muslims bomb PanAm flight 103.

    Muslims bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

    Muslims bomb the Marine Barracks in Lebanon.

    Muslims bomb the military barracks in Saudi Arabia.

    Muslims bomb the American Embassies in Africa.

    Muslims bomb the USS COLE.

    Muslims attack the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

    Muslims attack the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

    Recall the scores of American lives lost in these malicious MUSLIM attacks.
     
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    Add to your list:

    Muslims invent algebra.

    Muslims keep alive Greek learning so it can be re-intoduced to Europe to help spark the Renaissance.

    Muslims invent the "zero."

    Muslims adopt a limited tolerance of other faiths, something unknown in medieval Europe. (Just ask Ferdinand and Isabella.)

    I refuse to judge a religion solely by its nuts. I certainly don't want Christianity judged by TBN televangelists and Timothy McVeigh.
     
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    FROM THE ARTICLE:

    The demons in hell are dancing with glee! The enemy is rejoicing....another blow to Judeo-Christian heritage in the USA!

    What's next, an atheist stamp?

    Thanks, Adopted, for posting this so the handful of us Christians who care about about this being crammed down our patriotic red-white-&-blue throats can fire off some emails!

    It'll be a cold day before I put that stamp on any of my mail, even my bills! :mad:

    Wake up, America!
     
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    The demons in hell are dancing with glee! The enemy is rejoicing....another blow to Judeo-Christian heritage in the USA!</font>[/QUOTE]I doubt that either God or the evil one is too concerned about this stamp.

    Just because we have had a dominant Judeo-Christian heritage doesn't mean that our views should always be represented to the exclusion of others.

    Why not? There's a heritage of atheism in the United States. (Christians have had the Madonna and Child stamp in many variations over the years.)

    That's why they make many different stamps... You can show your pride in the subject or reject it completely. I am using the firefighters raising the flag over the World Trade Center rubble stamp myself. You have to pay extra for it, but that's how I am making my statement.

    Been awake... Looking at things with both eyes open.
     
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    The list of events have been the subject of a chain mail erumor for a few weeks now, and have nothing to do with the postage stamps.

    According to the U.S. Postal Service, a 34-cent stamp was issued in September of 2001 and October of 2002 commemorating two important Islamic celebrations or eids. They are Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. On those days, American Muslims greet one another with "Eid mubarak," which translates literally as "blessed festival." The phrase is written in Islamic calligraphy on the stamp.

    My two cents, or should I say, 34 cents, if you don't want to use them, don't buy them. Seeing how postage stamps have been regularly issued for Hanukkah, Christmas, Easter, Rosh Hashanah, and more, I don't see a problem with the US, though I have no use for the stamps myself. American Muslims are no less American than American Christians or Jews.
     
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    My friend, Johnv, I don't know where you're buying your stamps but the last time I checked a US First Class stamp was going for .37 cents (but I would not guarantee it too long at that level either)! [​IMG]
     
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    When is the official Cross of Jesus Christ stamp going to be issued? How about the official Star of David postal stamp? Has anyone seen any plans for those? OR seen them for sale lately? :rolleyes:

    I think this issuing of a Muslim stamp on George Washington's Birthday is a deliberate slap in the face by the USPS to traditional American Judeo-Christian beliefs......

    This is another selling out of America in the name of political correctness. It is a slap in the face of the 09/11 Islamic jihad victims, as well.

    And contrary to what was posted above, I do believe God is interested in the affairs of even mundane things such as postage stamps. God is going to JUDGE the NATIONS someday as well as individual people.

    If He cares about a sparrow that falls, He cares about stamps! [​IMG]

    If anyone cares to email the Postmaster General & complain, here's the email addy:

    John Potter, Postmaster General

    [email protected]
     
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    There have been stamps in the past with both the Star of David and also the cross, as well as Jesus, on them. In fact, I've got 12 stamps with Jesus and Mary on them right now.
     
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    Yup. The current rate is 37 cents. The stamps that are the subject of this discussion are 34 cents.

    Bottom line: If Christian symbols can be on stamps, then Muslim symbols can be on stamps. Are we in favor, then, of eliminating religious stamps entirely?
     
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    No, my fiend, I would not eliminate religious stamps at all. But your question is a lodaded one at that! First of all, this country is being founded on Judeo Christian principles and laws, and the Islamic approach is a new one. And second, in the light of the recent 9/11 events I would think that our governement would have the wisdom and discernment of not flirting with Islam and print a stamp on the observances of their holidays - that's all. :(
     
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    The stamps in question were for American Muslims, not Muslim terrorists from other parts of the world. My understanding is that the postage stamps were approved prior to 9-11-01. It takes quite a bit of time to go from the selection process to the finished product. So the reaction of those who think it's a post-911 idea is knee-jerk at best.

    In any event, I don't see the uproar over postage stamps with Jewish synbols on them, and there have been many. Yet this seems to rub some people (not most) the wrong way.

    I agree that the country was founded on Christian principles. But it was neither founded on all Christian principles, nor were the principles it was founded upon exclusive to Christians or Christianity. If it were, we'd be a theocracy, and no one here is in favor of that. The two biggest principles this country was founded upon were neither Christian nor anti-Christian: The principle of fredom to practice one's faith without reprisal, and the principle of no taxation without representation.

    Stamps that commemorate Muslim holidays, Christian Holidays, and Jewish Holidays have nothing do with, and don't compromise, the country's founding principles.
     
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    Thanks, Johnv, for bringing up the subject of stamp approval! I did some checking. Here's what I found & something everybody should know....especially those of us who usually vote Republican:

    http://www.islamicinstitute.org/news-nov-10-2000-stamp.htm

    Like I said, Johnv, I want to extend my thanks to you for your post, because now even more truth is being exposed once somebody goes to the trouble to do some digging! And I do mean this sincerely! [​IMG]

    This same President (then Governor) Bush now says we are at war. Actually, it was the Islamic Fundamentalists who declared war first, as I recall.

    So, using your logic, of course, DURING WW2 because there were many Japanese-Americans living in the U.S., it would have been okay to have:

    House of the Rising Sun Stamp issued during WW2: This would also be a religious stamp, because:

    From the Internet:
    Also, there were many Germans living in the U.S. during WW2. Therefore, a swastika stamp would be fine, using your logic. BTW, the swastika is a religious symbol:

    From the Internet:
    In recent years, then a KKK flag should be acceptable as well, because the KKK is a "religious" organization:

    ... "we don't burn crosses, we light them", they claim, "and it is a religious celebration and ceremony, not an act of desecration"...

    :rolleyes:

    So to conclude, following your logic, what's fair for American Muslims in this Judeo-Christian Nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles, should be fair for all.....including the KKK! Right?

    I wonder how many Islamic Nations have a Madonna & Child or Star of David stamp.....hmmmmmm. :(

    [ December 28, 2002, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: SheEagle9/11 ]
     
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    JohnV,

    The idea may not have originated post-911, but nonetheless, its a slap in the face to the family of the survivors. Even for those who didn't lose a loved one, we're simply tired of hearing about Islam and were tired of hearing about politicians pandering to various groups who want attention and political power. I firmly believe that if you give some people an inch, they'll be asking and expect a mile and they'll be more than willing to call you intolerant if you don't give it to them. The attitude of many such people is almost as if we owe them something.

    Many people claim that its only a few radicals of Islam that make up the terrorists...I think otherwise...Those radicals are a product of bad religion combined with the militant culture that Islam does such a good job of nourturing. Hatred of Israel is common place among Muslims. For Christians, it goes alot deeper. Islam in my eyes represents Hell for many poeple who have been ensnared in its lies. Islam misrepresents God and Christ as well.

    What possible good can come from our government giving Islam approval?..For once in my life I'd love to see a politician just tell it like it is...I'd love to see one just stand up and say "I don't care what you call me or if you think I'm a racist, but I don't really like the religion of Islam" or "Homosexuality is a gross sin" Supporting Islam runs contrary to the spirit of this nations founding Fathers...that of not kissing up to anyone, not being afraid to take politcal risks and tell something like it is.

    I guess if you boil it down, as a Christian I don't really care for most of the pettiness this world, society, and government has to offer, especially stupid, false religions like Islam.

    [ December 28, 2002, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]
     
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    ...I forgot about all those Jews blowing up the world trade towers, what was I thinking. :D
    Murph

    American Muslims didn't blow up the WTC. Al-Qaeda blew up the WTC, in which several American Muslims also worked.

    The idea may not have originated post-911, but nonetheless, its a slap in the face to the family of the survivors.
    Families of Muslims who died in the WTC would disagree.

    *** racist remarks removed***
    Hatred of Israel is common place among Muslims.
    Not sure what Israel has to do with the arguement. There have been numerous threads on this board that talk about us having too much syumpathy for Israel. Unless you want to start calling those with that opinion Islam-lovers.

    I don't care what you call me or if you think I'm a racist, but I don't really like the religion of Islam
    Would you prefer that the government outlaw the practice of Islam? I'm just wondering of you really believe in freedom of religion, or just freedom of religions you like.

    I guess if you boil it down, as a Christian I don't really care for most of the pettiness this world, society, and government has to offer, especially stupid, false religions like Islam.
    Would you prefer abolishing the first amendment?

    Many people claim that its only a few radicals of Islam that make up the terrorists...I think otherwise...
    Of course you think otherwise. *** personal attack removed***
    ...following your logic, what's fair for American Muslims in this Judeo-Christian Nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles, should be fair for all.....including the KKK! Right?
    That's what the founding fathers would argue, yes.

    ...it was the Islamic Fundamentalists who declared war first, as I recall.
    It was a group of Foreign Islamic Fundamentalists. But not all foreign Islamic fundamentalists. If that were true, then we'd be bombing Indonesia and parts of the Netherlands and England.

    ...using your logic, of course, DURING WW2 because there were many Japanese-Americans living in the U.S., it would have been okay to have...House of the Rising Sun Stamp... If you're referring to the Japanese Flag, no. US postal regulations forbid them on commemorative stamps. However, it would not have been inappropriate to have the Japanese phrase "Nissei" on a stamp (I think it's appeared on a stamp since). Nissei, btw, means "friendship". Also, several Japanese Americans have appeared on stamps. The stamps in question here are Muslim phrases.

    ...there were many Germans living in the U.S. during WW2. Therefore, a swastika stamp would be fine... Same arguement. The Swastika was used as a nationalistic symbol. *** personal attack removed***However, while the Swastika won't be appearing, the German version of Santa Clause once appeared. Also, several German Americans. as well as notable persons of German nationality, have appreard on the postage stamp. THe stamps in question here are not symbols of Muslim nationalism.

    a KKK flag should be acceptable as well, because the KKK is a "religious" organization The postal service does not allow logos or emblems of specific religious organizations on stamps. For example, you won't find the logo of the National Council of Churches, or the Salvation Army, on a stamp. The stamps in question are not symbols that recognize a spicific organized religion. They commemorate religous holidays, just as there have been stamps that commemorate Chanukkah, Christmas, Easter, and Rosh Hashana.

    [ December 29, 2002, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]
     
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    I want us all to remember that this si a news forum not an argument forum. If it ceases to discuss news then we should move on.
    Murph
     
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    How am I supposed to judge whether or not racist remarks were actually made here?

    It seems that if moderators feel the need to edit a post, they should use a less inflammatory notice than this.
     
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    How am I supposed to judge whether or not racist remarks were actually made here?

    It seems that if moderators feel the need to edit a post, they should use a less inflammatory notice than this.
    </font>[/QUOTE]It is not your place or mine to judge what remarks are determined to be worthy of deletion in this forum. We must allow our moderators the latitude to determine those who are racist or have crossed the lines of moral or acceptable spiritual behavior. One of their jobs is to protect us from racist attitudes like JohnV and others here. If Murphy says, he is making racist remarks then he made racist remarks.

    They have requested many times before to PM any moderator you seem to have a disagreement with.

    Your attack on a moderator in a public forum could get you on the banned. Be very careful and pick your battles carefully so as not to get banned like I was for 10 days. It's not fun being banned and I learned my lesson about attacking others on the board. I don't wish for anyone else to get pegged for the same offense.

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    Just a note of correction here Mr. Post-it. You were not banned. Actually banning is permanent. You were only suspended for 10 short days. ;)
     

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