News: Please Do Not support Terrorism in Ireland

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  1. Ulsterman

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    In a previous posting Brother Mike McK confessed "My family and friends have supported [Irish] Republican and Nationalist causes for years and that's news to us."

    I am quite sure this brother, like so many others in the US is quite sincere in his desire to "free" Ireland, but here is the truth. Ireland is free. Irish Republicans have the same freedoms as every one else here. Sinn Fein/IRA are not freedom fighters but Marxist revolutionaries who have links with the PLO in Israel, FARC in Columbia, ETA in Spain, Castro in Cuba, and Marxists elsewhere including the hunger strikers in Turkey. All over Northern Ireland the hammer and sickle is connected with Irish Republicanism. Just last weekend Gerry Adams attended an anti- war rally in Belfast standing by whilst an American flag was burned. Believe me he is no friend of America, though he loves the American dollar.

    If you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe secretary Colin Powell when he said ""But after 9/11, as we looked at terrorist activities around the world - and maybe the FARC do not have global reach in the sense that Al-Qaeda has global reach - but when you start to see members of the IRA in Colombia sharing experiences, sharing knowledge, doing heaven only knows what, it suggests that these kinds of organisations are committed to destroying democracy in our hemisphere. Should that not be a concern of ours?"

    http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?pt=n&id=26775

    I think I can say without fear of contradiction that no Irish Baptist, living either side of the Irish border would give support or succour to Sinn Fein/IRA or indeed any terrorist organisation operating anywhere on this island.

    [ May 22, 2003, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
  2. InHim2002

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    I agree - I think that the support that citizens of the USA gave to groups like the IRA is one of the main reasons that there is anti-american sentiment in the UK
     
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    I have a friend who plays drums in an Irish band. He loves his Irish heritage as much as I love my Scottish heritage. However, years ago the band as a group determined not to play in Irish Pubs here in the U.S. They came to this conclusion because when they used to play in the Pubs they witnessed the owners taking up collections to support the IRA, or "the revolution," on St. Patrick's Day etc. My friend's band did not want to have anything to do with assisting to raise money for terrorists. Brother David it right we should never support any organizations or groups that sponsor terrorism in any form.
     
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    People get caught up into things they know nothing about. Which shows how important it is to think very carefully on each descion.
     
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    If this is true then the anti-American sentiment in the UK is unfounded and irrational. The average American has never given to "groups like the IRA."
     
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    Thank you, David, appreciate you posting this information. I had no idea. Especially as Christians, we wouldn't want to support the wrong causes, or terrorist causes, so I hope you'll continue to keep us posted & informed. Thanks again! [​IMG]
     
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    Will, so true. [​IMG]
     
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    Hello David,

    Are you sure you're not a Free Presbyterian in disguise? [​IMG]

    I thought I'd left the politics behind when I left the FPC last year.

    I would agree with your opinion that no Irish Baptist would donate money to the IRA or Sein Fein or to the many loyalist paramilitary groups.

    You made one reference that I don't quite understand :
    As you know I come from an RC background, and for all of my 35 years I've lived in a 'republican' area of NI. I can honestly say that I've never seen a Hammer & Sickle or even heard of one being flown in a republican area.

    On the point of Gerry Adams attending the anti-war rally in Belfast, I'm sure you're not meaning to suggest that he or indeed any of the many other politicians present had any part in the burning of an American flag.

    I attended a meeting last saturday on the Lower Shankill Road. It was a Christian meeting between believers from both Ex-Rc and protestant backgrounds. There were Christians there from the Falls area and we enjoyed a great day of fellowship together.

    Our Lord Jesus is the only one who can bring peace to this island, and only by reaching out to our Catholic (and nominal protestant) neighbours and exhorting them to come to Christ will we see a difference.

    As regards the politicians here, my conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for any of them, let alone donate money to them, as far as I'm concerned there is no hope in politics, our hope lies in Christ alone.

    I would ask all those on the Board to pray for Christian outreach workers in Ireland. There is some tremendous work being done, 12 Christians working on the Falls road area alone.

    Myself and some friends are doing outreach work in the predominantly Catholic Glens of Antrim. We are encouraging people to read their Bibles and we thank God that there is a lot of interest among the Catholic community. I would ask that you would pray that we might see conversions there.

    See you in May David,

    God Bless,

    Enda
     
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    Enda,

    There are actually communist symbols on a Republican mural at the bottom of the Falls Road. In some of the side streets off the Falls Road I have seen communist images. On one wall Che Guevara is depicted alongside Republican images. I believe we would be in agreement that the republicam movement (though not the nationalist tradition) is Marxist in its ideology.

    Its great having someone from home to talk to on this board!!
     
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    Enda,

    BTW Enda, I am with you. For the most part politicians here are a disgrace. I am thrilled to haer of the work in the Glens of Antrim, and glad to know of those evangelising in the Falls. I have a friend who meets with a group of around 12 on the Falls every Friday evening. Is this the same people ypu are referring to?
     
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    in the same way as the average Muslim has not given money to terrorists - sorry, but you are with us or against us - as long as Americans keep funding the murder of british women and children many will not regard Americans as allies.
     
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    My better judgement tells me not to respond to this, but I will.

    I have never knowingly given money to the IRA.

    Yes, it's true that I met Martin McGuinness at the St Patrick's Day Parade in Phildelphia a few years ago but our exchange consisted of nothing more than, "Sorry we couldn't have nicer weather for you" and "It's a lovely city" and a picture with some friends from a local Hibernian Division.

    You may choose to believe his accusations or me. This is all I have to say about it.

    [ March 01, 2003, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Mike McK ]
     
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    Hello David,

    I appreciate the reply and the point you're making. I would also agree that it's great to be able to talk to someone at home but with respect David, I haven't come on here to talk about politics. I just don't agree with Christians getting involved in this type of debate. This is the only reason I left the FPC which is a great church in every other respect.

    I'm sure you'd accept that I just don't want to say anything that would allienate me from the people that I am trying to reach with the gospel. It saddens me that the FPC probably boasts the finest gospel preachers in the country eg. Rev John Greer (I'm not thinking of Wm MCCrea style preaching here) I just think that by their hardline political stand they are putting unnecessary stumbling blocks before the catholic people. I know many other converted RCs who feel the same way.

    I think the Lord would have His people stay out of the political situation here which you rightly say is a disgrace.

    Regarding the Falls road group, I don't know where they meet David but it does sound as though we could be talking about the same people. I praise the Lord for them and pray they are able to change things in West Belfast, I think they are the best equipped to bring the gospel to their own people.

    How are you finding things in North Belfast? Do you evangelise the Catholic areas up there, I used to live on the Oldpark Road area. I paid a visit to your website by the way, excellent site.

    I would just ask you to consider one thing David, Would you say what you've said here in your own pulpit? Perhaps you would and I'd respect your opinion if you felt that was the right thing to do, but I'm sure you would also see it from my point of view. Believe me, I know how hard it is to get a catholic through the door of a FPC and I'd hate the same situation to develop among Baptist Churches.

    God Bless,

    Enda
     
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    I would not put trust in Colin Powell as he is a one world globalist.
     
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    I think there is some confusion amongst some of our brethren from the other side of the pond. They are confusing the seemingly "mindless" support of some in the Irish-American community of The Cause with the American population as a whole. True, on the whole over the years, American sentiment has been pro-Nationalist/Home Rule. Most of that comes from the large number of RC Irish that immigrated to the States because of the Famine and the lore surrounding that period of time. You may add to that the anti-royalist temperment of the American population (remember 1776). And you have a fine brew that is not to pleasing to Westminister's taste.

    My views are rooted in thes two observations:</font>
    1. The Troubles are a continuation of the Thirty Years War and the Norman Conquest.</font>
    2. Marxists will take advantage of any legitimate protest movement for their own purposes. It is a wise government that is able to make the proper distinctions. Think Bloody Sunday or the Edmund Petis Bridge.</font>
     
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    David, this thread seems to have come from another thread, but which one????????
    Can any of us comment properly if we don't have the reference? May I dare to make the following comments which I trust are not too inappropriate.

    1)I have met a large number of americans who have not given to any thing Irish in any form and a blanket statement will never be right.

    2)Likewise I have also met some whose knowledge of the realities across here are so bad that they actually think scotland/ireland are the sameplace!
    (not all)

    3)I am sure that most Americans would not knowingly give to terrorist organisation.

    4)However, at various points it has been published in the British media that terrorist organisations have used other names to fundraise in america, Sien fein/IRA included.

    The point is, be careful if you want to be sure that your money is not going to any thing that proposes terrorism.

    yours, Jon.
     
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    When Australia had a referendum on becoming a republic (Which was voted no) Gerry Adams was over here having a series of meetings.

    He left in disgust that people in Australia cared more about the Aussie Rules Football matches than the poll on the day.

    The thing that I love about Australia, is that we are not ruled by groups pushing a political agenda. I really hope the same thing can happen in Ireland and other countries where there are problems.
     
  19. Ulsterman

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    Let me make some things clear.

    1. The purpose of raising this topic was to discourage well meaning, though misinformed brethren from unknowingly supporting terrorism. I have not accused Mike McK of anything. I accept the vast majority of Americans do not support the IRA or any other terror groups.

    2. Having said that, and I think because of American history some in the US naturally side with Irish nationalism. Unfortunately they are ignorant of the fact that the American war of revolution was waged against the English and other elements of British stock fought on the American side. The Scots Irish (who are the Northern Irish Protestants) fought to overthrow English rule. Even in Irish history the same folks have at times shown nationalist tendencies, but this has been all but eliminated by Republican campaigns against them. There probably would have been a united Ireland years ago, but for the IRA.

    3. For Enda, I do no raise politics in the pulpit at our church, in my view it has no place. I agree with you that the Free Presbyterians here have greatly hindered their witness to the Roman Catholic community and also much of the Protestant community by their politicising the gospel.

    Our work in North Belfast reaches out to all the people. Just last Tuesday I sat down with an 81 year old Roman Catholic woman in the Crumlin Road area and witnessed to her of saving grace. We have people in our congregation who come from a Roman catholic background and who have no difficulties with our ministry or fellowship.

    I Hope this clears things up a little from my perspective.
     
  20. Squire Robertsson

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    I take this opportunity to correct my brother on his second point. Yes, the Revolutionary cause did find resonance and support in the Scots-Irish community of Colonial America. However, the bedrock of the Continental cause was found in men like Washington, Jefferson, the Adams', Hancock, et al,. To the best of my knowledge, their families hailed from the Midlands and the South and were of Puritan/Congregationlist and CofE stock. New England was settled by solid yeoman stock from the Home Counties and West Country (I would refer you to the place names in Mass., Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Conn.). Further, one of the root cases of the American Revolution was the idea that the colonials were only seeking and defending their rights and privledges as Englishmen.
     

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