Next Prophecy to Happen

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  1. antiaging

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    Ezekiel chapters 38,39 - A group of large armies from Russia, Iran, Iraq, Germany or France, Ethiopia, and Libya will unite to attack Israel. God will turn these armies against each other, and it will rain fire on them, and they will fall on the mountains of Israel. [Note: Since Israel is a nuclear power, having many hydrogen bombs, this rain of fire from heaven could involve Israel's nuclear missiles.] The situation in the middle East is going to get worse until this prophecy comes true.
    But that is not Armageddon:
    Details of the next prophecy to be fulfilled Ezek. chapters 38, 39

    These are the names given in the prophecy:

    Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

    Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

    Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

    Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

    Ezekiel 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.

    Ezekiel 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

    Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

    Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

    Gog is russian leader magog is Russia. Meshech is a root word for Moscow. It will be the Russsian leader in the position that Vladmir Putin is now in.
    The biblical persia is Iran and Iraq together. Gomer represents Germany or France. Togarmah is east Germany.
    It says this is to happen in the latter years, which is the time close to the end. Now can be considered the latter years, because Israel is a nation again.
    Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
    Sheba and Dedan, which are Jordan and Saudi Arabia, are going to question this army when they come toward Israel.

    Those names are names of people mentioned in the geneology in the bible. The lands where they lived are named after them, that is how bible scholars know what lands are being referred to . The old persian kingdom was on the land of Iran and Iraq together. Verse 38:7, shows that Russia is going to be like a guard to the armies of all of those smaller nations.

    Reasons why this is the next prophecy.
    It has not happened yet. The prophecy speaks of Israel coming back into their land from many different nations. The only time that this happened in history, is after World War 2, with Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. In the past, Israel came back into their land from only one nation, babylon.
    It is a future prophecy. It says in the prophecy that this would happen in the latter years or days, which is now and leading on into the future, before Jesus comes back.
    It is not the same as the prophecy about the Antichrist.
    The prophecy about the antichrist, in the book of revelation and the book of Daniel, show that Antichrist will take over the Holy Land and set up his throne in Jerusalem for the last 3 and a half years of the tribulation period, before Jesus returns. In the Ezekiel prophecy, the armies invading Israel will not take it over, but will die on the mountains of Israel before they reach Jerusalem.
    There is only one invasion of Israel during the tribulation period, of the book of Revelation, and it is the invasion by the Antichrist. So the Ezekiel prophecy cannot happen during the tribulation period which is the last 7 years before Jesus comes back. In the Ezekiel prophecy nations attack Israel when Israel is in control of the land and Israel dwells safely. At Armageddon, the Antichrist is in control of the land and the Jews have fled from it. The Ezekiel prophecy is not Armageddon.
    The Ezekiel prophecy cannot happen after the tribulation period. After the tribulation period is the Millenial reign of Christ on the Earth, ruling with the saints in glorified bodies, for a thousand years, and there is no war like the Ezekiel prophecy during that thousand years when Satan is bound and cannot deceive anyone.
    The Ezekiel prophecy does not happen after the thousand year reign. In Revelation, Gog and magog are mentioned, after the thousand year reign but this is just a reference to the land in which Gog and Magog lived and it is not referring to the same man Gog, in Ezekiel.
    [Gog and Magog are two people that lived a long time ago. The land that they lived in is called by their names.]
    In the Ezekiel prophecy, it shows that Israel had recently been gathered into their land and live in unwalled villages. After the millenial reign, in Revelation, people from the lands of Gog and Magog are going to attack the camp of the saints. So this cannot be the same as the Ezekiel prophecy. The saints will live in one camp, and they lived there for a thousand years already. This is different from what it says in the Ezikiel prophecy.
    So, the only time for the Ezekiel prophecy to happen is in the future and before the 7 year tribulation period starts.

    Iran is now starting to gain influence over the Shiites in Iraq. The old persian empire is Iran and Iraq together being ruled from Iran. As Iran gains more control over Iraq, it begins to look more like the old persian empire. Persia is one of the nations mentioned in the prophecy. Also Russia is allied with Iran now, and I saw on Tv that Russia has offered to enrich their uranium for them.

    A summary of why the Ezekiel prophecy must happen before the 7 year tribulation period begins:
    Ezekiel 39:9. The Jews are going to be burning the weapons for 7 years. That prevents the Ezekiel prophecy from happening during the 7 year tribulation period. At 3.5 years into the tribulation period antichrist is going to conquier Israel and rule from Jerusalem. He will persecute the Jews and the Jews will flee out of the land. If they flee out of the land, then they cannot burn weapons for 7 years.
    The Ezekiel prophecy is supposed to happen after Israel is brought back from other nations (that happened after world war2) and during the latter years, Ezekiel 38:8, when Israel is dwelling safely in the land. That means the prophecy will happen before the antichrist and the 7 year tribulation begins.
    The Ezekiel prophecy is not armageddon. Armageddon happens when the anticrhist is ruling and the Jews are not dwelling safely but are persecuted and they are not in the land; they fled out of it.
    It don't happen after the millenial reign either as some say. That is not latter years and the saints did not just come from other countries; they lived in a camp for a very long time, maybe a thousand years.
    The Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy is the next prophecy to happen and it must happen and be over for at least 7 years before the endtime sequence can begin.
     
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    Events after the Ezekiel prophecy: As I see it happening, according to the Bible:

    The middle East is going to get more and more violent until the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy happens.
    After the Ezekiel prophecy, Israel will be respected world wide. Israel will build a new temple, and start a daily sacrifice. The future World dictator, the Antichrist will come to power. [Bible scholars in the past believed it would be the last pope.]
    Ten nations from the European Union are going to give their military and political power to the Antichrist. He is going to make a seven year treaty with Israel. This will start the final seven years of the end of the world and the countdown to Armageddon.
    The Antichrist is then going to try to conquer the world militarily. Probably starting off with nuclear war, aimed mostly against the Muslim nations of the Middle East. This will go on for about a year. The devastations of Nuclear War will follow: - famine, radiation sickness, forests burned up, many dead. Then natural disasters, as punishment on men for their sins will happen. A meteorite or astoroid falling into the sea, plague, poisoned water, and one third of all men killed. Earthquakes, Large hail stones. Three and a half years before the end, the European forces under control of the Antichrist are going to march into Israel and take it over. Probably spies in the Israeli Government are just going to hand it over to them. Another inquisition will start. Jews and real Christians are going to be killed. Most of the Jews will escape to surrounding land. The final punishments of natural disasters from God, worse than the first, will happen. Sores, plague, darkness [possibly from dust or smoke blocking the sun] men scorched with great heat, great earthquake, etc.
    The armies of the East are going to march westward to fight with the European armies, and they will meet in a place in Israel called Armageddon. [The plains of Mt. Megiddo]
    Now comes Biblical Armageddon right at the end.
    The Lord Jesus is going to return with an army of angels Possibly piloting UFOs, and the Second Coming of Christ is going to happen. The real born again Christians are going to be levitated up into the air to meet Jesus, along with the dead bodies of saints that will rise out of the graves. These armies gathered at Armageddon are going to be destroyed.- That destruction is biblical Armageddon. Angels are going to abduct people that practice sin, people that heard about Jesus and never accepted Him as Saviour, and these sinners are going to thrown into the fire or hell. They'll suffer forever.
    The real Christians are going to rule and reign with Christ on the Earth for a thousand years of peace, in which Satan will be bound and he can't tempt anyone. After the 1000 years, Satan is let loose to deceive whoever can be deceived as a final test to see what men are evil and not worthy to be angels. The deceived men will try to attack the saints and fire will come down and kill them. Then the city New Jerusalem, with the streets of Gold and precious stones in the walls and pearly gates, is going to come down from heaven and be placed on the Earth. The Saints will live there in that bright city in their mansions.
     
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    It seems like everyone's got their own eschatological opinion. :sleeping_2:
     
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    Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
     
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    Indeed. (Don't see anything about angels piloting UFOs)
     
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    At the time Ezekiel wrote - Israel had not yet returned from Babylonian captivity and the Messiah had not arrived.

    Lot's of water under the bridge since Ezekiel

    There is no 7 year tribulation period mentioned in Ezekiel, or Revelation or Daniel nor is there a 7 year period mentioned in Matt 24
     
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    Every year or so I say this on some board or another:

    The Pharisee Rabbis teach that Ezekiel 38 & 39 are
    TWO prophecies of two different invasions of
    Yisrael. Look at it that way and one will see:

    1. the 'allies' are different
    2. the aftermath of the attacks are different

    There are, of course, similarities:

    1. God intervenes on the behalf of Yisrael
    2. it is obvious afterwards that God
    was the only reason that Yisrael was saved
     
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    //There is no 7 year tribulation period mentioned in Ezekiel, or Revelation or Daniel nor is there a 7 year period mentioned in Matt 24//

    Yes, and your point is?

    The term 'Salvation' isn't mentioned in 1 Corinthians
    The term 'Salvation' isn't mentioned in Galations
    The term 'Salvation' isn't mentioned in 1 Timothy
    The term 'Salvation' isn't mentioned
    in 1 John, 2 John, nor 3 John

    Yes, and my point is?
     
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    [​IMG]

    I doubt we will be seeing angels in spaceships coming during the rapture. :saint:
     
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    I also doubt that, big time.

    I do think that, abductions by Aliens or UFO's will be the excuse used by the Anticrist to try and once again downplay God's Word. The world will eat it up too...people love Aliens or UFO's and this is all demonic, there are not UFO's or Aliens just demons and stuff. Thats why we see so many cartoons for kids and take a look at all of them and please tell me one cartoon that doesnt have an Alien sort of figure. Movies...all movies talk about aliens and ufo's... this is all a plan and it will lead up until the rapture and it will be the excuse as to why Millions have vanished.
     
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    I've heard that too. It's probably the excuse that will be used. ;)
     
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    Anything to try to confuse people and not give credit to the word of God. The sad part is that on TBN or other stations... no one is preaching about the Rapture, its all about " Sow your seed here, and sow your seed there " When Millions vanish, most wont have a clue because its not a common topic that people preach on. It will be easier to say... " Ohh Cool a UFO, then to say...Ohh..Ohhh I got left behind in the rapture and now the tribulation is about to start
     
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    There's not much I can say that is good about TBN. I do watch it sometimes. There needs to be a station for pastors who preach sound Biblical doctrine. I'm not sure how that would be funded, or I'd try to help start one.

    They will be as many are now under a strong delusion.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 (KJV)
    8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
     
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    "I'm not sure ho that would be funded,"

    That's why we need to sow them seeds! Don't ya know it'll come back to ya a hundred fold? You are NOT watching enough TBN or you'd know how this works,lol.:laugh:
     
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    I forgot the "w" on how. :saint:

    People that give so they will receive a reward are fooling themselves.
    Just like anyone on TBN that tells others that line.

    We are to give and not expect anything in return. We are to give with a joyful heart.

    The widow's two mites is a great example.
     
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    My comments were purely tongue-in-cheek, but I agree. Btw I didn't even notice the missg w, lol.:godisgood:
     
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    I knew you were joking. ;)

    I edited my comment and put the "w" where it belongs.



    :thumbs:
     
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    Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

    Exodus 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

    Cloud like pillar ufo, typical ufo type. Research Tim Edwards ufo on google. See a picture of it.
    Mist around it by day and orange or golden glow at night.
    Angel associated with it according to 14:19.
    A mother ship, seen to have smaller ufos asscociated with it.
     
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    you're really reaching :cool:
     
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    There is nothing HAS TO HAPPEN before
    the rapture.
    Here are some things that could happen
    before the rapture but they do NOT
    have to happen.

    1) The destruction of Damascus (Isaiah 17)

    2) the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog invastion
    (the Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 20:8
    Gog/Magog invasion will be after the
    Millinnial Kingdom period)

    3) the building of a Temple in Jerusalem
    on Mount Moriah north of and alongside
    the Dome of the Rock.

    But again, these things do not HAVE
    TO HAPPEN before the rapture, they may
    happen after the rapture; they could happen
    before the rapture. They do not HAVE TO
    HAPPEN before the imminent pretribulation
    rapture.
     

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