No Child left behind

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tinytim, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. tinytim

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    What is your take on this?

    I will give mine later, I am just curious if my stand is consistant with the stand of others I have come to respect. :wavey:
     
  2. Ivon Denosovich

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    I'm for tougher standardized testing, but not the pork of this particular project.
     
  3. Bro. Williams

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    NCLB is in effect, garbage. Teachers are "graded" based on the effort of the student. At the same time, teachers have less ability today to motivate students due to various reasons (lack of ability to use disciplinary action, fear of lawsuits, more liberal addressing of misconduct by administration, state pushing, peer pressure, job security, inability to compete with the interests of the world at most levels, etc.)

    Is the concept good? Of course. Are some people going to be left behind? In reality, yes. That is life. Not all students are capable or learning at the same rate and capacity nor are they all able to function at an equally high level.
     
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    My 2 cents

    My 2 cents is that this is a junk federal law that should be allowed to expire.

    Democrats are saying that not enough federal money was given to administer the law.

    Accountability in education would be a novel concept in this country.

    However, the real problem is that the GOP should be trying to do away with the Department of Education and not trying to run education from Washington DC. This program is just too expensive and too poor an idea. Both left and right want it abolished.

    Bush is about finished as President. There is no need to prolong this idea on his behalf. Republicans should agree with Democrats that this law stinks and allow it to expire. American public education is a failure--the most expensive in the world and the worst in the industralized world.
     
  5. Ivon Denosovich

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    Amen to that!

    Amen to that as well!
     
  6. Dagwood

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    I agree completely.
     
  7. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Democrats always say there is not enough money regardless of the program and who implements it. John Stossel prooved them wrong.
     
  8. hillclimber1

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    CMG, you got that right. The NEA isn't about education, it's about indoctrination with secular humanism. It's become a tool for atheists.
     
  9. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    And communism.
     
  10. Salty

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    The federal govt has NO business in education. That should be left up to the States (see the 10th amendment)

    The Dep of Ed should be reduced to one office whose main purpose would be to compile statistics of the several States.
     
  11. KenH

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    The federal government should have no jurisdiction over local schools. Period. The federal Department of Education should be eliminated from the federal budget.
     
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    As a teacher, I'd rather not give mine. thhhhhh
     
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    Children get left behind all the time. :rolleyes:

    The current form of mass public education can only 'educate' to the average student. That means that the students who fall above the average and the students who fall below the average are not going to get the education that best suits them.

    This is the reasoning behind the Individuals with Disablities Education Act. Most folk don't realize that this law can also be applied to gifted students. If this law were fully implemented, there would be no need for No Child Left Behind, because every child would be educated to his or her own ablility and not to some preconcieved notion of how children of a certain race, gender or income should be distibuted among the classrooms. This would probably cost billions.
     
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    My daughter started school as a 4 year old was promoted to the second grade in an attempt to keep the "failure" numbers down and by all means should have repeated the first grade...we are paying for that now.
    I think the NCLB is not worth the paper it is written on; but then again it is a product of Ted Kennedy, what else could you expect.
     
  15. Ivon Denosovich

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    Well, if a Republican were in the White House you could expect a veto. ;)
     
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    Ok here is my opinion...

    I HATE IT...

    I have 2 children that are special ed kids that are getting left behind because of this stupid, dumb law that our genius of a President put into action!!!

    It is like throwing paralyzed kid into a swimming pool, and expecting them to swim, then failing them because they cannot!

    This is going to be an issue with me this coming election yr.
    And any candidate that supports the prez on this, loses my vote!

    What idiot thinks that all children are the same?
    The idiot in the White house that's who...

    And I am about as strong republican as you can find, but dubya has lost my support... and any other stupid politician that stands behind this law.

    I have a message for the federal Government....
    GET OUT OF MY CHILDREN'S EDUCATION!!!
    If you can't run the country right, what makes you think you can improve my children's education!

    This country needs an old fashioned shake down!
     
  17. KenH

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    It is also a product of George W. Bush.
     
  18. hillclimber1

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    I agree it is horrible law, which has a tendency to teach at the level of the slowest learner. But we as parents are charged with educating our children, and we must choose (our circumstances being a huge factor) whom we will allow to teach our progeny what.

    We currently have many options, but I strongly suspect these options to slowly be eliminated in order to concentrate the secular humanist agenda on the young.
     
  19. carpro

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    We may never know if NCLB could be a success.

    It depends heavily on those to institute it who have a vested interest in seeing that it fails.
     
  20. Bro. Williams

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    NCLB is an impossibility. It is a nonsensical impossibility. The "concept" is like that of "utopia", unreachable.
     

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