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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 16, 2015.
This is really scary if it is true.
Not sure why it's scary he doesn't stand a chance. Conservatives will never vote for him.
The article is insipid.
Wisdom is measured by winning elections?
By not changing one's position on an issue?
By not speaking in a second language when it is the first language of your audience?
What a load!
Per CTB - "What I believe must be subject to change as God gives me new insights."
But CTB according to your OP article that is the opposite of wisdom!
Changing positions is a mark of lacking in wisdom - or are you changing your position?:smilewinkgrin:
Then why are the neocons even bothering to put him in the race? Lord knows they've plenty enough frothing war mongers in the lineup already.
Hillary will be the worst. She will use the military to prove that she has "gravitas".
Kind of destroys your conspiracy theory doesn't it? If neocons are plotting to gain the Presidency why are they running a dozen candidates, creating division in the ranks, and wasting their money?
...and you're naïve enough to think they are not?
Why buy a dozen raffle tickets instead of one?
You think? I'm undecided about her, whether she'd be hawkish or not.
So these dozen people, backed by the same powerful bloc of neocons go through the primary and caucus process with voters eventually winnowing them down to two or three candidates. One of these candidates emerges as the overall primary elections winner and is cast as the Republican Party candidate for President.
In other words, the usual voting process has selected the candidate. Neocons might or might not get their candidate.
In the olden days, the candidate would be selected in smoke filled rooms regardless of primary election outcomes. It was very much an anointment by the powers-that-be. Neocons would always get their candidate.
Yes, I seriously believe that she will want to prove that she is just as tough and aggressive as any man.
IMO she will make many decisions based on proving that a woman - especially herself in particular - can do anything that any man can do.
"Jeb Bush, neoconservative
"....I am my own man – and my views are shaped by my own thinking and own experiences.” .....Curious then that the foreign policy team that Jeb announced today is not just very much George W. Bush’s, but includes two of the most controversial figures from invasion of Iraq, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and former National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. Short of including Dick Cheney, this is the strongest possible indication that Bush is embracing his brother’s foreign policy. What’s up with that?..."
"Jeb Bush was a signatory of the neoconservative, The Project for the New American Century “Statement of Principles”...."
"...The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership". The organization advocated the view that "American leadership is good both for America and for the world," and sought to build support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity", referring to Ronald Reagan...."
As far as I'm concerned they are absolutely wrong in associating Reagan with their interventionist schemes to promote the military industrial complex that Eisenhower passionately warned us about. Reagan was no neocon. Jeb Bush is every whit a neocon, trying to pass himself off as not one."
"...Bush has suffered a few stumbles in the months leading up to Monday's announcement, most notably when he struggled to answer questions about his brother's invasion of Iraq, a line of questioning many Republicans said he should have anticipated. And he's gone out of his way to avoid declaring himself a presidential contender -- until now -- so he could keep raising money for the Right to Rise super PAC backing his candidacy...."
IMO, "he struggled to answer questions about his brother's invasion of Iraq", nothing but a deceitful ploy on his part to separate himself from Dubya and his neocon roots. Jeb Bush is every whit a neocon trying to pass himself off as not one.
OK kyredneck, let's agree that Bush is a neocon. So, is he going to get the nomination?
I'll not vote for him, nor will I recommend him to my clan. He is intentionally hiding his neocon roots.
I'm not voting for him either. But you didn't answer the question.
You say there is a neocon conspiracy to get a neocon as the Republican candidate. Then you say that Jeb Bush is a neocon. So is he going to get the nomination?
That's a right stupid question to be asking me or any other human.
Why? You've been banging on about how Obama is the product of rich Jewish neocons. He became President. You asserted there is a neocon conspiracy. You said Jeb Bush was a neocon. So now you won't say whether or not Bush will get the nomination?
How convinced are you of your views?
Where exactly have I 'banged around' that "Obama is the product of rich Jewish neocons"?
Provide the link.
Where exactly have I "asserted there is a neocon conspiracy"?
Provide the link.
Yes. I've said that. Evidence points to it, I'm convinced of it, and so are many others.
Again, it's right stupid of you to expect me or any other piece of flesh to know that.
About the same as any other human.
Hillary is one of the biggest Neo-cons in D.C.. No doubt the will have us in several ill-planned disasters.
The democrat bench has been obliterated. Liz Warren won't run. The democrat base does not want Hillary, they want Sanders, who will be destroyed in the debates.
As far as the GOP bench, name someone who ISN'T a a neo-con. (Rand Paul, perhaps, but his fight against the Patriot Act was tepid, at best)
I'm not saying a conspiracy exists, it's just a coincidence that the GOP has no spine when it comes to issues of civil liberty, fiscal responsibility, and U.N. pressure.