No Law- no happiness

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  1. Luke2427

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    Scripture says, "Blessed (happy, happy, happy... [Phil Roberson translation]) is the man... whose delight is in the LAW OF THE LORD and in his LAW does he meditate day and night..."

    We cried "Foul!" when they rolled the Ten Commandments out of the Court House, but how much more tragic is it that many Christians, like some on BB, are excommunicating them from God's house!

    By doing so, we have cursed the lives of many people because we are the only access they have to that which brings order, sanctification and benediction upon a life, a home, a nation.

    I pray we will reconsider our dispensationalism and antinomianism before we bring full out divine curse upon this nation of ours.
     
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    So we as believers must keep the law to be happy?

    And by law you mean the whole Mosaic Law or the Decalogue?
     
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    The moral law- yes.
     
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    Are we under the Law or Grace Covenants?
     
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    Define "under".

    Don't give me the passages. I can quote them from memory.

    What I am asking for is YOUR understanding of what "under" in those passages means.

    Then I can answer the question and we can discuss it without wasting immense amounts of time talking past each other because we use the exact same terms with very different meanings.
     
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    The Law could never give eternal life. The Law could never bring justification. All the Law did was bring guilt, condemnation, death, etc. Christ nailed these to the Tree in His flesh, and condemned sin in the flesh. We who are saved, keep the moral law through and by Him.
     
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    Do we live under the Law or Grace Covenant?
     
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    Who said, "The law brings justification"?

    Why say that here?

    Who are you talking to?

    The point I made in the OP is that the Bible says that "the law of the Lord" is a premier source of human happiness.

    Do you agree or disagree with that?
     
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    I asked you to define what YOU mean by "under the Law".

    You did not here even attempt to clarify what you mean by it.

    Why not?
     
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    Do we live in the Grace or Law Covenant? How much plainer can I get?
     
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    What's the opposite of justification?
     
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    Are you purposely avoiding answering questions?

    I put questions to you and, instead of answering them, you just ask me questions.

    Is that a debate tactic of yours or something?
     
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    The Law was added 430 years later because of transgression, until the seed come that the promise was made to. It was what they had to live under until Grace(Christ) came.....MORE later...
     
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    Yes. I know that the Law came 430 years after Abraham.

    So in what way did "they" live OUTSIDE of grace as opposed to how we live "under grace."

    These are just words until you define them as you understand them.
     
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    Willis,


    When men were under what you call the law covenant....was there grace? or only law?

    When men lived before the mosaic law was given....did they have any law? did they have any grace?

    Do christians have any law?

    what law is in the christians heart?
     
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    Grace has always been the means of salvation. It has never been via Law. This is one reason Jesus rebuked Nicodemus -- a teacher of Israel who did not know (as he should have) that we must be born from above.

    Abraham is also another example of salvation by grace.

    - Blessings
     
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    :applause::thumbsup::applause::thumbsup:
     
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    You are right to "thumbs up" this statement.

    You are wrong to fail to consider the implications.

    Just as grace was important in the age of law, law is also still important in the age of grace.
     
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    Grace is, and always has been Jesus Christ. Jesus was/is the embodiment of the Law. But remember, under the Law, they had to keep it. They were required to keep it or suffer the consequences. Under the Grace Covenant, we're kept by the power of God.


    Adam, Noah, Abraham, et al, all had a convenant with God. Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD(Gen. 6:8). Grace has everly been, even since before God formed this earth and hung it upon nothing.


    Here you go:




    The two laws that Christ was talking about were the Laws of love. The one who is born of God is born of love because He is love. We keep the moral law, not by ourselves, but rather, because the Law Keeper(Jesus Christ) is within us. We are dead, and our lives are hid with Christ in God. We, as sinners, could not keep the Law, the ceremonial or moral Law. As sinners, we weren't moral whatsoever. Sure, as sinners, we may have be anti-gay marriage, anti-shacking up before marriage, always being honest with our fellow man, etc., but we were amoral in God's eyes because Christ's blood wasn't shed upon our souls.

    The only reason why we can keep the moral law is because of Jesus Christ being the Captain of our ship.
     
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    Adam's Clarke's commentary on Hebrews 8:


    Under the Law, there was a rememberance of sin. Under Grace, our sins our blotted out. Under the Law, they had to keep it. Under Grace, we are kept by the power of God. Under the Law, when they broke the Law, they were put to death. Under Grace, we have mercy if/when we sin. The Law was a covenant that was wek in that it pertained to the flesh. The Grace Covenant is betwixt God and our souls.

    I had to shorten verse 13 due to the length.

    http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=heb&chapter=8&verse=10
     

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