No One on this Board Supports Abortion

I doubt he meant funny as in ha ha. Some people use the term "funny" in lieu of using the word "strange" or "odd." Methinks you are too critical of his post and are reading more into it than what he meant. And that's not funny either. I thought this thread was supposed to be about abortion and not stem cell research. So please keep on topic.

And BTW, the topic title really isn't true judging from some of the posts I've read here, it appears some people here do support legalized abortion rather than back alley jobs.

And for the record, a D&C is sometimes used for abortion, but not all D&Cs are done to abort a fetus. D&Cs are sometimes done for cycle irregularities.

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Funny that you should ask something like "why shouldn't we make it illegal?" when people were already trying to make it illegal.

You've been trying to make a point, but it's falling flat.

 

It will be here sooner than you think. Doctors in the Netherlands are already performing involuntary euthanasia. When all the "baby boomers", the group that tolerated 50 million abortions, retire there will only be two people paying Social Security tax for each retiree instead of three as is the case currently. The reason, one in three pregnancies have been terminated by abortion since 1973.

 

I find it strange that you would lecture others for logic errors yet not comprehend what I wrote.

I'm against abortion. Given that, if we really want to minimize the number of abortions in our nation, as churches and individuals, we need to do things that are truly pro-life. Through what you describe as "three paragraphs of lame scapegoat arguement(sic)" I was attempting to illustrate the real issues that young women face. Unless you deny that rape ever occurs (a ludicrous argument by any standard), then everyone needs to consider the real pressures that many so-called "pro-life" churches put on women to actually abort their children through stigmas and self-righteous and unchristian moralism.

If you will pay attention to what I actually said, you will see that I have not advocated a "pro-choice" argument. I am pressing for a truly consistent pro-life position, not just anti-abortion.

Talk about missing the point!

 

The point is that being truly pro-life is not a political position, it is a lifestyle committed to serving and supporting those who have pregnancies yet are unable or initially unwilling to raise a child. It requires the church to be a place of grace and acceptance to unwed mothers or women who are in crisis, and requires sacrificial giving to ensure that children who are not aborted are taken care of and placed with loving stable families.

I hope you are. I am too.

Neither party has a monopoly on the "pro-life" position. Certainly Republicans generally give lip-service to being opposed to abortion, but many times they do nothing for (and sometimes actually oppose) government programs and disbursements designed to assist struggling families and unwed mothers. That's not pro-life.

On the other hand, Democrats often support just terminating pregnancies before the children are born so they don't have to deal with the messy realities of families in crisis. And that's definitely not pro-life.

If we are going to deal with the issue as Christians, we have to forget arm-chair morality and get involved in people's lives. We need to reject the overly simplistic way the abortion war has been framed and consider how Jesus would want us to handle the situation. We need to deal with people in their brokenness and need, and work for healing of families and the welfare of children, both born and unborn. Churches need to organize finances and ministries to aid women in need so that they don't have to rely on government programs to get through their circumstances. Christians need to get past their self-righteous desire to condemn and instead work toward redemption.

That's my point.

 

May God richly bless you and your ministry!

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I am referring to someone who is truly pro-life. Not everyone can actively serve like you do with your gifts, but everyone can find someone like you to support in prayer, with finances (so you don't have to bear the burden alone), and will loving support for you and the young women.

 

It's spelled "in vitro"; if you intend to use it as some point in your effort to justify your support of a president who supports abortion, you might as well spell it correctly.

Your original post was that no one on this board supports abortion; our argument states that your position is false. If it were true, you wouldn't have so vehemently supported a candidate who was so obviously pro-abortion.

Arguments about stem cell research and in vitro fertilization are not supporting your position. They are an appeal to emotion that falls flat in the face of the facts.

You state that the present administration did nothing to prevent abortion; it's been shown several times that they made some efforts, however small and/or ineffective they might be. You, on the other hand, have voted for and helped elect a president who will undo those efforts, and forward the cause of the pro-abortion crowd.

All your arguments on this subject are overshadowed by who you voted for. Don't hold it against us that we happen to believe who you supported represents what you believe, or are happy living with.

 

Actually, Jim did; thus, all the recent posts about D&C's.

 

a person can say they believe anything, but what they do reveals what they really believe.

 

You can repeat this tll doomsday but in the end it is only a weak attempt to defend voting for a pro-death candidate.

 

If you're talking about the Stassen report - those numbers are in dispute. Stassen used an average over the entire decade of 1990-2000 -- which included the first Bush presidency.

 

Just have to point out no one is opposed to stem cell research, That said Most people opposed to abortion are opposed to EMBRONIC stem cell reasearch.

Stem Cell research and embryonic stem cell research are totally different things

I will also note while stem cell research has proved many positive results, embryonic stem cell research has had NO success, NONE. Nobody has ever been saved, healed, made better or anything else by embryonic stem cell research.

And buy the way if have to kill a baby, even in a embryonic state, for me to get "healed" then I shall go meet my Savior face to face at last.

This is one of the many reasons I could not support McCain, He supported Embryonic Stem cell research. I just couldn't push it under the rug like most could.

Reformer