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  1. whetstone

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    It seems to me that many reject Calvinism because they are non-conformists. They believe Calvinism is equal to saying 'I am of Paul, I am of Apollos.' Comments made by non-conformists:

    "I am neither."

    "I am a Biblicist."

    "I'm in the middle."


    That really SOUNDS good, but the core of the matter is this: Can you REALLY hold a position other than Calvinism or Arminianism when it comes to any of the five points? What is the third option in each of these cases?

    #1- Total Inability is true or untrue.
    #2- Unconditional Election is true or untrue.
    #3- Limited Atonement is true or untrue.
    #4- Irresistable Grace is true or untrue.
    #5- Perseverance of the Saints is true or untrue.

    Is there a third option? If there isn't- stop playing non-conformist games. We all claim to be 'Biblicists' or 'Christians' but when it comes to this, which side of the pendulum do you swing? If you're honest with yourself you may just grow a little.

    If there is a third option, I'd like to know what it is! [​IMG]

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  2. Wes Outwest

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    I am not a Calvinist!
    I am not an Arminian!
    I am not an Edwardian!
    I am not a Lutheran!
    I am not a Wesleyan!
    I am not a Justinian!


    I am CHRISTIAN! I conform to the doctrines no man!
     
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    Not even Jesus?
     
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    hi wes, i like your answer. i'm interested in the doctrines you noted... are they different from the teachings of the above 6?
     
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    T-- you can be flat out Pelagian

    U- no other option

    L- Universal Efficacious atonement (universalism)

    I- Denial of Biblical Grace--Pelagian

    P- No perseverance required--universalism
     
  6. Wes Outwest

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    Thanks for pointing out the error in my statement. My statement should have said, "I conform to the doctrines of no man!"

    Jesus is God the Son, THE CHRIST for which Christianity is named, It is his doctrine alone that I am willing to conform myself to! It is to him, that I submit my soul, and spirit.
     
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    Who is this addressed to?
     
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    The OP. . . and it doesn't reflect my personal beliefs.
     
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    How does His doctrine differ from that of those six men that you listed above?
     
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    They have injected their own interpretations and meanings into the clear message that God the Son gave us through his Apostles.
     
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    what is the "clear message?" and how have the the 6 men 'misinterpreted' this message?
     
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    Their interpretations misinterpreted according to WES and his interpretation.
     
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    Expect for those of Wes.
     
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    Wow they are just like you Wes! :D
     
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    Their interpretations misinterpreted according to WES and his interpretation. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you offering something better that has no previously been offered?

    No?

    Then you have nothing with which to shoot me down!
     
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    Expect for those of Wes. </font>[/QUOTE]For one who does not think things through, you are sure quick to shoot at those who do think things through!
     
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    Actually, I want to be a real non-conformist-- like on of these...

    READ MORE- The Character of an Old English Puritan, or Non-Conformist
     
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    Hello Wes.
    Jesus is a man is He not Wes? Just asking. :cool:

    john.
     
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    Actually, I want to be a real non-conformist-- like on of these...

    READ MORE- The Character of an Old English Puritan, or Non-Conformist
    </font>[/QUOTE]Hey monergist.

    Don't get me wrong- I don't think it's right to conform to man-made doctrine. It is simply a fallacy to think you are a 'non-conformist' for we all conform to something (even to non-conformism!). The statement, then, should not be 'I am a non-conformist' but that 'I conform to Godly principles and doctrine as laid out in scripture.' If said doctrine lines up with puritanical or reformation doctrine, so be it. My point is that I will not shy away from truth because I am scared of labels as so many Arminians do.
     

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