Non Imputation of sin to God's Elect

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    That Non Imputation of sin to God's Elect World is an Gospel Doctrine is seen in Paul's Preaching here 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    We know the World here does not mean everyone without exception, simply because many have their sin imputed to them, like those here Jn 8:24

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    So how is it possible for these to die in their sins if they had not been imputed to their charge ? So it is quite reasonable to conclude that they belonged not to the World of 2 Cor 5:19 ! But that there is a World that sin, trespasses were not charged to, and Paul preached of, is clearly seen here in 2 Cor 5:19 and there is no Gospel message without this Truth and the explaining of it !
     
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    Non Imputation of sin to God's Elect !



    This Gospel Truth of non Imputation of sin to God's Elect, those who Christ has died for, is most Illustrated in this OT story, that of balaam, and it was so occasion that these words of God were spoken Num 23:21

    21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.

    Now we must not conclude from this that God did not actually see all the sins that this people did commit daily, their idolatries, their sinful murmuring and complaining against God and His servants, like Moses, but God never see's iniquity in that people as to charge it against them, or to impute it as to curse them, as it does to all outside of Christ, and of which in the story here balaam attempted to do out of covetousness,which he was hired to do, and so it is with the Israel or Jacob of God, whom satan would accuse before God as law breakers Rev 12:10 but as with Israel of old the Type of the Church or Israel of God, the Law of God cannot curse God's whom Christ died for because of non imputation ! Lets look at Rom 4:7-8

    7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    This automatically lets us no that those whose sins are not imputed to them, means that they forgiven !

    2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Hence this world is a forgiven world, because its sins were not imputed to it.

    Now answer me this, at what time did God ever account His Israel of God in Christ, to not to impute sin unto it, if He actually did not do it in Himself before the World began ?
     
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    David said that the blessed man is one whose sins have been forgiven by the lord, and that happens when faith is placed in jesus by the sinner!
     
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    Can you address the points in posts 1 and 2 ? Thanks. I made quite a few of them !
     
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    Non Imputation of sin to God's Elect ! cont

    Num 23:21

    21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.

    Yes God does actually in time see iniquity in His Chosen People, for by nature, they are as others [the non elect] children of wrath, that is in a nature and behaving experientially as those destined or appointed to wrath 1 Thess 5:9; but God never does hold that against them in a way of condemnation and as objects of His Eternal Vengeance 2 Thess 1:8, yet He will reprove it and chasten them for it out of Fatherly Love Heb 12:5-11 !
     
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    Eternal Justification in the Gospel because of Non Imputation!



    2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    When else could it have been that this non imputation of sin unto God's Elect, The World, but in the Eternal engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, when Christ agreed and became the Surety, voluntarily bound Himself to satisfy God's Law and Justice in their behalf, and hence, that God the Father in trust in His Son's fidelity, freely dismissed the Elect from all charges of iniquity that was rightly due unto them and hence their Justification Rom 3:24

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    And when He became sin for them by imputation and Covenant Suretyship, they also became the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21, this occurred at whatever point from Everlasting, that their sins and the condemnation of it was imputed to Christ, so that He would in the fullness of time come forth and make satisfaction for them, they therefore being forever discharged in the chambers of the Heavenly Court, where these things were Transacted and agreed upon between the Father and the Son, and the Spirit beareth witness !
     
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    Sins are not reckoned to believers as it is by faith that they are reckoned to Christ. The cross obtained the LEGAL BASIS for justification but is the work of the Spirit that obtains LEGAL APPLICATION and that is where "imputation" and "non-imputation" occurs.
     
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    If this doctrine is FIRST seen in Paul's writings then there good reason to question it? Why? Because Jesus taught that sufficient doctrine could be derived from Moses and the Prophets.
     
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    Paul received his doctrine directly from Christ (Gal. 1:9-18). Where did you get yours? Apparently from some other source (1 Tim. 4:1). Your position forces you to reject 2nd Peter as inspired also as that book confirms Paul's writings as inspired - 2 Pet. 3:15-17. So where does your unbelief stop?
     
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    Both lies you need to prove by scripture to be true !

    The Cross it the Legal basis for Justification before God, it Legally Justifies the Elect, however, the sins of the Elect were never charged to the Elect, but to Christ.

    Yes, the Spirit by New Birth applies Justification before the one Justified, before their consiousness, but had nothing to do with Legally Justifying the elect before God, that Honor is solely the Blood Of Christ, and Non Imputation of sin.

    Non Imputation occurs whenever God purposed not to impute the sins of the Elect unto them, 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Now when did this happen ?
     
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    That occurred by application and it is called "justified by faith" and is described in Romans 4:5-8 right in the middle of the context of justification by faith not justification by eternal purpose or justification by legal provision.

    You confuse Christ's work with the Spirit's work. You confuse God's eternal purpose with God's implementation of that purpose and your whole system of salvation is based on this confusion and perversion of scriptures. You pervert the scriptures by applying them according to your own confusion.

    You confuse the work of God or regenerative faith with progressive sanctification and thus call justifying faith a work which Paul explicitly repudiates in Romans 3:27-28.

    You do not believe in "justfication by faith" but Paul clearly teaches it (Rom. 3:28; Rom. 4:1-25) and that makes you heretical on the doctrine of salvation (Gal. 1:6-9).
     
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    Thats another lie, show the scripture.

    Non Imputation of the sins of the elect unto themselves has nothing to do with their faith. Thats a Covenant Transaction between the Father and the Son. 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    This had nothing to with anyones faith, liar !
     
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    I have provided the scripture - Romans 3:27-28; 4:1-11.

    You are confusing the eternal PURPOSE/DESIGN by the Father with the APPLICATION by the Holy Spirit. Just as you confuse the provision of the legal basis by the Son with the legal application by the Holy Spirit.


    He is giving the readers the PURPOSE of the Father in the PROVISION by the Son while claiming the APPLICATION by the Spirit is through the "MINISTRY of reconciliation". You are ignorant of all three and confuse all three and no amount of correcting you turn you from your heresies. However, it will expose your heresies so that others will not follow.
     
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    No, jesus said they pointed towards Him as being the messiah!

    Are you denying that paul was an Apostle of Christ?

    That he somehow "hi jacked" Christianity?
     
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    Until a sinner places faith in Christ, ALL are NOT reconciled to God!

    Were you born a sinner, and than you trusted in jesus to save you from your sins?
     
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    None of those scriptures says anything about sin not being imputed to the elect because of their faith.

    Thats like stating that Christ cannot die for their sins unless they have faith. Is that what you believe also ?
     
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    Thats a Lie, all for whom Christ died for are reconciled to God whie they are enemies Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    So you lie against the Truth ! Get ready for Judgment day !
     
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    When did YOU experience that reconciliation? What time in your life, and how did that happen?
     
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    This thread is not about me. I gave my testimony here already, no need to keep doing it over and over, if you want to know it, search my posts, when you find it, print it out and frame it.

    In the mean time, you lie against the truth:

    You lied and said before God:

    The scripture says Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
     
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    Romans 4:6-8 is given as an additional confirmation of what Paul teaches in Romans 4:3-5 as that is the intent of "EVEN AS" in verse 6.

    Justification by faith is defined to be inclusive of imputed righteousness and and non-imputation of sin in verses 6-8 and that is the "blessedness" Abraham received while "IN UNCIRCUMCISION" by faith - vv. 9-11. So Paul repudiates your view that the "blessedness" of non-imputation of sin occurred at the cross but explicitly states it occurred in "UNCIRCUMCISION" - v. 11. This is plain as the nose on your face! Have you tried using a mirror?

    The former is the cause but the latter is the INSEPARABLE consequence, which without the former is nonesense and that is what you are teaching - nonsense. You are teaching the absolute nonsense that one aspect of the covenant stands alone and sufficient by itself - that is complete nonsense. All three aspects are in a cause and consequence relationship to each other and without one the other are nonsense as they are mutually interdependent upon each other as ONE UNIFIED soteriology.
     

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