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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, Nov 3, 2006.

  1. av1611jim

    av1611jim New Member

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    Oh....sooooo THAT explains why so many elderly are abandoned by their offspring and left to live on 500 bucks a month to eat the canned pet food that SS enables them to buy each month...

    I fully understand how great SS. is now. Thanks a bunch.

    I'll tell my Dad that his worries are over. He believed that lie too. And I pay for his phone since he had a choice between phone, eating and medication. He'll be so glad to hear that he is not in poverty.:rolleyes:

    The Dem.s have been lying to our most vulnerable for decades.
    Despicable.
     
  2. Alcott

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    Why is that odd? Oil wells don't vote; guns don't vote; cars or airplanes don't vote; trees don't vote; levees don't vote; medicines don't vote................. But people do vote; so they are the interest politicians/muckrakers/rabble rousers go after.
     
  3. Brother Bob

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    I am sorry about your dad but if he only draws $500 a month then he must be on SS which is for those who did not pay into the system or paid very little. I know many who live that way but with all the other help programs such as "Hope" and help with heating bills and such they do make it. What would he do completely without the $500 a month as in the old days when they lived with their children. There are even programs that will pay for hospital bills if you seek them out before going in the hospital. Maybe if we sent a little less overseas and spent it on our own elderly and sick we would be better off. I pray God will show you all the help centers for someone like your dad but they are usually at the local court house. You can contact a social worker and they can give you a list of all the help programs. Believe me there are several besides the SS such as "hot meals" delivered to him every day, people who come in and clean his house a couple times a week. You have to be willing to seek out these places and the best place to start is your "social worker". There is a program now even if you are going to lose a car and sure it would work on other thing that if you seek them out then they have to take the car even if its been wrecked and cannot bother you anymore for payments. I have seen this happen. One of the best programs is the "hot meals" they will bring him every day, unless you live so far out in the country they can't reach you. God bless,
     
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  4. Bluefalcon

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    Invading Iraq is against traditional Christian principles of living at peace with all men. Saddam killed far fewer people than we kill babies here in America. One day the nukes will drop and I'll praise Jesus because he is just above all.
     
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    Right, they are the core constiuency. "Special" implies not the main and even contrary to the main.
     
  6. av1611jim

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    Brother Bob;
    Thanks, but in this state, he makes TOO much on SS to qualify.
    As I said, he believed the lie. My brother and I do our best to help him, but he is a proud man and will let us do only just so much. BTW; thankfully, he hasn't gotten as far down as some who DO eat canned pet food.

    Sorry about the derail. Someone mentioned SS as such a great program and I got my feathers ruffled.
     
  7. Magnetic Poles

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    Jim, I am sorry about your dad, however most SS recipients get more than $500. If you research the poverty rate in the elderly before SS and after, you will see the impact. It isn't a retirement plan, but it sure is better than before it was around.
     
  8. Daisy

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    What has SS got to do with having wretched offspring?

    I don't get your rant.

    Would he & you be so much better off without his receiving SS? It was meant to be a supplement to retirement savings, not a pension.

    It's not a lie that social security has kept thousands of senior citizens out of poverty. You seem ungrateful for what you & your dad are getting.
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Today is the day. :BangHead:

    [sarcasm]Remember NOT to vote today.
    If you don't vote, it makes my vote count for more.[/sarcasm]

    I'll be voting (in priority order):
    to stay the course in Iraq,
    to stay the course in Afganistan,
    to stay the course in Israel,
    to stay the course in Germany,
    to stay the course in Japan,
    to stay the course in Korea,
    to stay the course in the countries of the former Yugoslovia
    to stay the course in Rumania
    to stay the course in Katzakastan
    to stay the course in the unknown country
    to stay the course in Guam,

    against people who let their peps junk up my PUBLIC ROADWAYS
    --with their private campaign signs,
    for physical sanity,
    against recreational abortion,
    against those invading our airport borders,

    I.e. largely Republican.
    I will be voting against one poop campaigning person
    in a county vote

    As always, I NEVER decide who to vote for in the last week.
    Different from usual, I actually read some of the last
    week smut fest -- our country is in deep doo doo :(
     
  10. DeeJay

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    Thats an odd standard. As long as somebody kills less people then the abortionists we should leave them alone.

    How about Hittler, he killed less people then the abortionists should we have left him be. Was WW2 against traditional Christian principals of living at peace with all men.
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    I was with you BF, until you made this ridiculous and irresponsible statement.

     
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    Barbarian observes:
    If you accept the idea that Bush is America, then a defeat of Bush is a victory for the terrorists.

    If you accept the idea that his war in Iraq was good for the terrorists (as his own intelligence people now admit) then a defeat of Bush is a victory for America.

    It's probably too late to undo all the help he has given the terrorists. But it's possible to keep him from making it worse.

    I hope.


    Yes.

    A matter of public record. Someone leaked it to the press. The last intelligence review concluded that invading Iraq increased the danger from terrorism.

    Me too. That fellah needs all the help God can give him. So do we, as long as he's bumbling around in the WH.

    Somehow, I don't think increasing the danger of terrorism, is "protecting" us.

    And given that the lives of most Iraqis have been poorer, harder, and more dangerous since we invaded, I'm not so sure they think they've been "liberated."
     
  13. Magnetic Poles

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    I think you were being sarcastic, but look how it turned out! ;)
     
  14. hillclimber1

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    Well now that the election is over, everything is changed, for the worse. The increase of terrorism is now guaranteed. They will begin slaughtering those brave Iraqis that believed we would liberate them, and stepped forward to achieve a democracy. And new plans for forays into the continental USA are under way. We have said it's OK.
     
  15. Ed Edwards

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    However, on the bright side, perchance the slayings of Iraqi
    will go down now that the terrorists have thrown the U.S. election.
     
  16. hillclimber1

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    No, the slaughter will now shift from the needy (terrorists) to the average citizens that stepped forward in faith that the United States Government and its military would deliver the promised democracy.
     
  17. Scott J

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    You bet. It is always bad for the enemy to fight on their own ground... it is much better to let them bring the war to us.

    You are so wise. How foolish of us to force the enemy to expend its own limited resources of men and finance to fight our well trained military in Iraq when we could play defense and let our ill-equipped law enforcement folks stop them in NY, Chicago, or LA.

    It is so obvious that the terrorists don't think Iraq is critical the way they've backed out and let us stabilize the country and all.

    If the fight in Iraq has been good for their recruiting (which is not necessarily a fair assessment since they had no problems beforehand) then just imagine how good a win in Iraq will be.

    Is there any evidence that any of the terror groups in Iraq want to win anything? I don't think so. They just want to defeat the US... and if it weren't Iraq it would be somewhere else, witness Somalia, the Cole, 9/11, etc.
     
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