Number Of His Name

Cut it out. its nonsence. People have always had formularies to determine the number of the beast and who it might have been. It never has panned out for any of them. European union, United Nations, you can keep going on to what one world government it could be. the Lord will return. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking for the resurection from the dead too. But looking for the beast is a waste of time. I've heard people say it was Obama. Phaaaa! I'm more interested in this verse. "not every one who calls me lord, lord will enter the kingdom" and again "they will say when lord have we not fed you, or gave you drink? and he will say when you have not done it to the least of these my bretheren you have not done it for me." It's my paraphrase but you get the point. If the Anti-christ is still to come and a tribulation is still to come then it will be obvious who it is and if it is to be the pretrib we'll be with Jesus, if not we will be worried about survival for 3 1/2 years. Christianity is waiting for Jesus expectant return not the Anti-christ which may have already come. Caligula errected a statue of himself at the temple in Jerusalem. Titus began a harsh persecution of christians as did Nero. The temple was destroyed and the Roman Empire succumbed to christianity.

 

Okay - I finally know for sure - this is a joke - LOLOL :laugh:

 

Antiaging: //Since the pre trib position is FALSE and the rapture will really happen near the end of the tribulaion period, it is very important to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians.//

Your statement is incorrect, even if the post-trib-only rapture is correct (which it isn't), read your Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (NIV):
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
And though I feede the poore with all my goods, and though I giue my body, that I be burned, and haue not loue, it profiteth me nothing.

The Bible is clear: It is alright to give your body up to death at the hands of the enemy, knowing that your soul is saved. Giving your body is much more important than 'to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians'. Tricking the Antichrist is the stuff millionare fiction authors make up -- not scripture.

All you need to know about the antichrist is found in a Veggie Tales song my 4-year-old (now 12) nephew shared with me:

God is bigger than the boogie man,
Bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on TV!
God is bigger than the boogie man,
And he watches over you and me!

Of course, don't give your body to be burned by the enemy if you don't have 'the Love of Jesus down in your heart'.

 

"ant i a ging"

Ant - insects of the family Formicidae

Ging - a conspiracy against me (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary)


Your name means that you are an ant that is conspiring against yourself.

I guess that we will have to watch to see how you betray yourself in the future.

BTW - exactly why did you choose a name containing "anti" as in the antichrist?

Are you trying to tell us something?

 

Thanks! I needed that!

 

I believe in every generation since 70AD (or maybe 30-AD?) God has had an evil man who could immediately take the role of 'antichrist'.

 

Amen. I am not 100% certain yet (though I strongly lean in this direction) that the papacy is THE Antichrist, but that it is antichrist is certain.

 

Revelation 18:13 says the Beast from the Sea has 'the number of a man'. I believe that the this Antichrist will be a human NOT a demon {though later he will be indwelt by the Unholy Spirit (AKA: Satan) } and NOT an office. (Though I won't preclude that the Antichrist could be a Jewish Pope.)

 

Scripture says the rest of the dead lived not again until a thousand years after God's people have resurrected.

If God's people resurrect on the last day as you say... after the tribulations, with no more days after, then that would make God's Word a lie when it declares the unrighteous dead are resurrected for their judgment 1,000 years after the Believer's resurrection.

Matthew 24 is not about the Rapture, but about the coming of the Lord after the tribulations that fall upon the earth after the Rapture.

antiaging, you need to go back to studying. You aren't seeing clearly.

 

The Christians will be caught up before the tribulation, Scripture tells us God's people are not appointed to wrath.

Also, in Revelation, the only people I see sealed by God are the 12,000 of every tribe of Israel.

All the rest of mankind that were there repented not of their blasphemies but continued to blaspheme God day and night.

Thank God, His people will not be here on this earth to hear that filth or see the wrath poured down on those who are going through the tribulations.

 

Amen, Brother Standingfirminchrist -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

Antiaging: //Lazarus' sister said the resurection of her brother would happen on the last day; not 7 years before the last day. //

Wrong! See below, both the writing and the following comments

Antiaging: //Jesus did not correct her. The rapture happens at the resurection of the righteous on the last day.//

Amen, Brother Antiaging -- Preach it!

I suspect you may not know what 'DAY' means. Here is my writing on that:
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Dispensation in the NT, KJV1769 family of editions (bolding by Ed):

1 Corinthians 9:17 (KJV1769):
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward:
but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel
is committed unto me.

Ephesians 1:10 (KJV1769):
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might
gather together in one all things in Christ, both
which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 3:2 (KJV1769):
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:

Colossians 1:25 (KJV1769):
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation
of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

The Holy Spirit hasn't shown me a lot more than is here. I do know the Greek word being translated here as 'dispensation' is the Greek word from which we get 'economy'.

I do know (IN SUMMARY OF THE BIBLE off the top of my head) that this is what the conomy of God is like:

Bible Prophetic times:
'hour' = the appropriate time
'day' = the appropriate time
or '1 day' = 1,000 years
'½-week' = 3½-years
'1 day' = '1 week' = 7 years
'month' = the appropriate time
year = the appropriate time

Other 'economy of God facts':

the blind see
the dead live
the deaf hear
the lame leap like deer
the first is last
the last is first
Jesus Saves (totally!)
God Rules!!

Frequently the Bible discusses:

What is to be is discussed in either present tense (is done) or past tense (done already done). So a study of Greek tenses is generally frustrating. Us people can only do one day at a time. God can do everyday at a time - I think God may have invented all the days at the same time?
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The Tribulation Period is ONE DAY = SEVEN YEARS. So

 

Well then that rules out your contention that the current Pope is the antichrist.

The current Pope is of German descent not Italian.

The current Pope does not rule Rome. He is the head of the Catholic Church.

Vatican City is a nation state on it's own. It is not Rome.

 

Antiaging: //Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The gathering of the elect is after the tribulation period according to those scriptures. The gathering of the elect is the rapture.
[It says from one end of heaven to the other. Not earth. They are gathered in the sky. Heaven is one of the definitions of the sky. Mt. 24:31 is referring to the rapture of the elect saints.//


Every thing I quoted you said is correct save the underlined comment. Even that comment is easy to make CORRECT:

The gathering of the elect is after the tribulation period according ANTIAGING'S UNDERSTANDING OF those scriptures.

However, according to my understanding here is how I understand Matthew 24:

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Ed's Pretribulation view of Matthew 24:

Here is a pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church,
pre-Millinnial Return of Christ,
Futurist understanding of Matthew 24.

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables in Matthew 24:45 through Matthew 25..

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur
(not in the order in which the questions were asked):

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. 'Polysyndeton' is a rhetorical device that uses
(in English) repeated connectors (usually 'and')
instead of an outline. This is most noticeable
in the Bible in Genesis 1 and Matthew 24.
I believe the major outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the Rapture/resurrection which ends the current church age (gentile age, age of grace, last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the church age even up to this time. Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age. The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs that the church age continues NOT that the end is near.
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According to this view, the "after the Tribulation of those days" il Matthew 24:29 does NOT influence the events of Matthew 24:31.

Feel free to tell us the last verse that is influenced (or first verse that is not influenced) by Matthew 24:29 in your view. I have found only one person who would do this 'exercise' and he was a 7th Day Adventist.