NUTS FOR ARMINIANS TO CRACK

FAITH in GOD is what saves, not faith in the "good news". What the Gospel provides is the PROMISE of Everlasting life to those who have FAITH. It is fulfillment of the Promise that is the substance of things hoped for, it is what is promised that remains unseen. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen" Hebrews 11:1. Granted, BrotherJoe, I have oft stated that ALL the WORK of Salvation of man has been completed by God! All that remains is for man to accept the salvation freely given by God to man. Acceptance is made through faith! I did notice that the scripture you quoted, the last phrase "we shall be saved by his life", a future tense event.

 

BrotherJoe, Are you reading impaired?

I have never said, "atonement is what sends one to heaven"! But Atonement is what "clears the way" for Faith. Atonement is what keeps man from death due to sins committed. Sins paid for are not charged against the sin committer. So with death set aside, SALVATION becomes a matter of FAITH ALONE.

 

Yes and what is it that light does? IT illuminates TRUTH, truth brings faith, Faith saves!

 

BrotherJoe,

Faith in the Gospel saves NNE! Faith in God saves us!

Faith is only Good for this natural life! When this natural life is over, if you have faith when you die from the flesh, your are Passed from death unto life. If you do not have faith when you die from this natural life, there is nothing in the scriptures that say you have a second chance, so it is opportunity missed, and Judgment followed immediately by the Lake of Fire, the second death.

 

BrotherJoe,

Do you not realize that it is a sin to misquote someone and to credit them with saying things they did not say? You have done that to me quite a number of times in this topic, I have asked you to stop doing it.

Yes, your sins are atoned for, but beware, sins unconfessed are sins unforgiven! Continuance in sin erodes one's faith. Faith lost before natural death results in the second death.

I may not be as active on this topic tomorrow due to pressures at work. But I may drop in from time to time.

 

Perhaps the title of this thread should be 'nuts for arminians to crack based on a Calvinist's interpretation of scripture'.

 

To the Biblical position! </font>[/QUOTE]Whose biblical position?
Yours
Theirs
Calvinists
Arminians
Open Theists
Pelegians
Cessationalist
Reformed
Pentecostal
Baptist
Lutheran
Catholic
Charismatic
Methodists
on and on.

 

To the Biblical position! </font>[/QUOTE]Whose biblical position?
Yours
Theirs
Calvinists
Arminians
Open Theists
Pelegians
Cessationalist
Reformed
Pentecostal
Baptist
Lutheran
Catholic
Charismatic
Methodists
on and on. </font>[/QUOTE]To the position AS STATED IN THE BIBLE not CONVOLUTED by COMMENTARIES!

 

All those camps says they derive their biblical position from the bible. All of them claim inspiration of the Holy Ghost to understand and interpret scripture. So....whose biblical position is best supported by the bible??

 

Hi Brother Joe;

We send children to school to learn and they consider this work as well. I suppose listening can be a work, but we are not talking about listening to someone preach. True we do aquire faith from hearing God's word but faith is the product of listening not the work. Faith is believing that something is true and is the product of listening to God's word.
If faith is work and a man believes from His heart that Christ is who He says He is, then this verse is not true.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

How can one have faith that is a work and not work as stated above. Not even possible. Faith is that which God gives as a reward for listening to His word. Faith is received it is not work on our part.
May God Bless You;
Mike

 

You need to rethink what FAITH is! It is not a gift that one can give to another, for every one has faith in something and everyone has faith in a diversity of things.

Faith comes from within and not from without! Faith is the human response to sensory perception, hearing, seeing, tasting, touching, etc. Faith in God is God's desired response from humans who hear about Him. When a kid goes to a new school there is the anticipation of how the other students will receive him. Those who receive and accept him as one of them do so in faith that the new kid is OK! And their acceptance remains so long as new kid is OK!

When you take the keys to your newly purchased automobile, you do so in faith that the new auto will give you good service. Yes, it is faith because you do not know whether you got a good one or a lemon!

When you sit in a chair that you've never sat in before and have not seen anyone else sit in, you do so out of faith that the chair will support you.

There are many more examples and types of faith. So to say that God gives you faith is wrong, God gave you the ability to have faith, not the faith itself.

God also places before you the reasons to have faith, and He gave us his only begotten son in whom we can have faith, but if Jesus had not lived among us, taught us, died for us then arose in victory over death, we would have no reason to have faith in Him.

Faith is not a gift of God to man. Faith is the response of man to all of the other things God has given us.

 

Yelsew,
God deals with the invisible realm of the spirit.

Man deals with the physical. what we can see smell hear taste touch. what we hold in our hand is what we believe because we can test its reality. its reactions within our physical world.

When Adam ate of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". the knowledge what was concerning the spirit realm and how it operates. Gods Spirit law.

Adam didnt get this knowledge because he violated Gods command not to eat. What he received was a knowledge of spirit based on what satan knows. Everything we "understand about God is WRONG!!!"

Mankind is cursed in that he can not understand spirit knowledge. his spirit is carnal. he thinks flesh. physical. he thinks about God based on incorrect and flawed knowledge of who he thinks God is.

there are two spirits in this world. christ and antichrist.

one spirit has a flawed knowledge base of God.

It is even incapable of accepting and understanding knowledge of God because his base of knowledge is carnal based. his thinking is finite anf time based. It is self centered. Its faith in believing anything is based on what he can see hear feel taste touch and smell. he cant have faith in God because he doesnt understand nor trust anything he cannot verify its existence and action/reaction activities. He cannot have faith in an invisible world he has never seen nor even can verify exists.

the other spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ. he has duplicated his spirit and has given it to all that are today called out to be sons of God. Its knowledge base is the fullness of the Godhead. It has full access to all of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Its knowledge base is based on absolute and not finite. Its comprehension is infinite and timelessness. It has a memory of being resurrected from spiritual death. It knows what exists in the spirit realm. It has and can see into this invisible spirit realm because it can see and hear and taste spiritual things. It is the proof that faith needs to hold onto truth. because it has proven all truths with evidence.

man doesnt please God with his carnal spirit faith. for he knows not what is truth nor reality nor what exists in the spirit realm.

It is the spirit of Jesus Christ That God gives man while in death that Man is able to connect with God. that can see into the spirit realm. That has evidence of the unseen things that faith requires to prove truth with.

It is the faith of theis new spirit that chidren of God live By. Man is given this new spirit to have faith in the unseen things man need to ask for.

It is not carnal mans faith that pleases God. It is the proven resurrected faith of his sons spirit within man that pleases Him.

If you could EVER PROVE that carnal mans spirit can see into the invisible realm and hold out their faith to Believe God. Ill be a monkeys uncle.


Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

substance not seen hoped for!
evidence of things not seen!

Me2

 

Yelsew,

The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!" (Luke 17:5)

According to your logic God cannot give faith, infact faith is something that comes from within man and is of man. Yet Christ's disciples seemed to think that he had the power to increase their faith. How does this request jive with your logic?

 

What causes our faith to be increased? How would God help our unbelief, as one man in scripture requested?

By showing us more of Himself. Revelation increases faith. The gospel is God's revelation of himself which is why faith cometh through hearing. The disciples are asking God to increase their faith by increasing His revelation of himself to them, to show His power, they are not meaning that God should somehow inwardly moves inside them to tweek their faith a part from the means He has revealed in scripture.

As Jesus said to Thomas, "You have seen me and believe, but blessed are those who believe who do not see."

 

By increasing the reasons for our faith God increases our faith, because we have more on which to base our faith! The more "evidence you have, the greater your faith" That is why Paul commends Timothy (2:15) to, "STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not...."

The more scripture we have read, the more reasons we have for our faith. The more testimonies we hear from the faithful the more reasons we have for our faith and the greater our own faith becomes.

Yes, Lord by all means increase our faith...Please!

 

Look folks,
Faith is not rocket science. It takes no skill whatever to acquire and build faith. We start out in life building from one faith to another gradually increasing our faith until what we had faith in to begin with becomes second nature to us.

Take an infant for example. Starts out on back, rolls over with amazement and delight, and sometimes fear and frustration. Does it again, then again then again, soon, on tummy, up onto hand and knees, move lift hand don't fall, move hand to new place on floor, then move knee. Wow! I'm crawling, Hooray! But big people are not crawling, they're standing. I'll show them! I'll pull myself up and stand, Hooray! But big people are moving from place to place. I'll move...OOPS! glad I'm made of rubber! Try again! and again! and again! Finally...GOT IT! I'm walking like the big people. Oh! My! Whats that pretty thing on the shelf....

You get the gist. FAITH is like that! Starts small and increases. That is why the Elders always have greater amounts of faith than the younger. They have more upon which to base their faith! They've been through more and greater trials than the young, and they have much more experience with God's word and God working in them.

So Keep the faith and build on it! It is not a gift of God as some of you seem to think, but it most definitely is our response to all the other Gifts of God!

 

Hi Yelsew;
If you really think in terms of weather or not Faith is a gift. It is in a way. We first listen to the Bible and then we believe and act on it's directions. Yes faith does comes from hearing God's word.

As Mr Newton said in luke 17:5 the disciples asked the Lord to increase there faith What did Christ do did He say no?....No!.

What Christ did was to tell them another parable which incresed there faith. The Parable is of the mustard seed and because they heard the parable from Christ, what they heard from Him increased there faith. Did Christ increase there faith? You see there increase didn't come from inside of them it came from hearing the Word spoken. If it came from inside it would happen with out hearing Gods word.

The Bible says that Faith comes from hearing God's word. It doesn't say that it comes from inside of man. I realize that man has faith in other things like the car he just bought. If you think about it he must have got that faith from the person telling him what a great deal it was. The thing is though he still got it from hearing and only because made he the decision to believe the salesman.

Some men have the faith in them selves to make such descisions. Faith in there know how or education. I have faith that I'm good at my Job if I didn't I probably wouldn't be very good at it would I?. In Reality if you trace all your faith it all boils down to what you've heard from others and weather or not you believe them. The descision to believe them comes from inside. But the faith comes from what you've heard, because you believed. God Gave us the gospel to hear thus giving us a decision to make on weather or not to believe. but the faith comes from hearing His words.

Belief and faith in a lot of respects are the same thing but not always. I define it like this. Belief is the acceptance of a truth
Faith is the action of that belief. I'm no English major but this is how I look at the two words.

I wouldn't even think of trying to upset you but if you think about it. It is belief that comes from the heart that our faith is bulit on. The decision to accept it as truth comes from the inside.

I in no way meant to sound disrespectful. I hope that I didn't, if I did please forgive me.
May God bless You;
Mike

 

Still, after 96 posts, missing the whole nut.

Jesus said that which comes from the heart is what defiles man; now, then, faith must be a circumcision of the heart worked without hands. Jeremiah said the heart was deceitful above all else, who searches the hearts of men?

When there are none who seek after God, what are they seeking after?

Bro. Dallas

 

Skan stated:

"What causes our faith to be increased? How would God help our unbelief, as one man in scripture requested?

By showing us more of Himself. Revelation increases faith. The gospel is God's revelation of himself which is why faith cometh through hearing."


The fact is that many people have spend their entire lives surrounded by the gospel and the revelation of God and do not have saving faith. Why do some people have faith and others do not? ILUVLIGHT spelled out the logic end that cannot be escaped in Armininian theology: "The decision to accept it as truth comes from the inside." You are attributing salvation to something man does within himself that separates him from others and makes himself pleasing in the eyes of God, to the tune of eternal salvation.


Thank God that he chooses some to Himself and gives them ears to hear so they may believe. If this were not the case, we would be left as the ones Jesus was addressing in the 8th chapter of John:

"Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say...Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!...He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." (vs.43,45,47 with context)





Yelsew stated:

 

Yeslew