NY Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program

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  1. carpro

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    http://tks.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTJjYzYzYmMwNjY3N2YwNWE5NDQ3ZTQzZDczZWU5N2Y=

    Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program
    11/02 10:39 PM
    When I saw the headline on Drudge earlier tonight, that the New York Times had a big story coming out tomorrow that had something to do with Iraq and WMDs, I was ready for an October November Surprise.

    Well, Drudge is giving us the scoop. And if it's meant to be a slam-Bush story, I think the Times team may have overthunk this:

    U.S. POSTING OF IRAQ NUKE DOCS ON WEB COULD HAVE HELPED IRAN...

    NYT REPORTING FRIDAY, SOURCES SAY: Federal government set up Web site — Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal — to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war; detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research; a 'basic guide to building an atom bomb'... Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms... contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that the nuclear experts say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums...

    Website now shut... Developing...

    I'm sorry, did the New York Times just put on the front page that IRAQ HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AND WAS PLOTTING TO BUILD AN ATOMIC BOMB?

    What? Wait a minute. The entire mantra of the war critics has been "no WMDs, no WMDs, no threat, no threat", for the past three years solid. Now we're being told that the Bush administration erred by making public information that could help any nation build an atomic bomb.

    Let's go back and clarify: IRAQ HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS PLANS SO ADVANCED AND DETAILED THAT ANY COUNTRY COULD HAVE USED THEM.
     
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    And at least one country did use them . . . according to the NYTimes.
     
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    Oh for goodness' sakes!

    Yes, Iraq had a nuclear weapons program - back in 1991 which the good George Bush effectively ended.

     
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    Except that ALL of those secret documents were surrendered according to the peace treaty . . .

    ;) - so . . . these 'secret' documents had been kept 'secret' until captured . . .

    And noone wanted to believe Saddam when he said what he meant and meant what he said.

    I am glad that our military & president believed him.



     
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    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.
    European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms."
     
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    Boy, what a waste of a great Joe Wilson lie.

    Anyhoodilly, don't expect much out of it, Bush bad, remember.
     
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    I hope it was a liberal in charge of the website . . .

    :wavey:
     
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    Now that you mention it, I remember that they said he was bad . . . bad . . . worse than osama man and saddam man . . .
     
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    The next paragraph says:
    Most the research had been done prior to the first Gulf War. This is old news.

    The first paragrah:
    They haven't found any yet, but the documents posted pose new dangers:
    Well, how embarrassing! Hoping to find fodder for the election, they post how-to papers for public consumption!

    Now they are trying to pretend that the article that exposed this danger somehow justifies the Iraqi invasion....
     
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    Why would you hope that?
    Hope away!:wavey:
     
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    Daisy,

    Allllllllll documents were 'destroyed' before the invasion was voted on.

    ;)

    That is why people (including some high ranking Iraqis - some of whom are now dead) were saying that saddam was still trying to get WMD.

    :thumbs:
     
  12. Daisy

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    The documents that were turned over were destroyed?

    What do you think of posting how-to manuals for making chemical weapons on a public site? Pretty clever, eh?

    Trying to get WMDs? A pre-emptive strike - read invasion and overthrow - for trying to get WMDs? :thumbs:
     
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    Yes, I can read it that way. Saddam wanted a fight. He wanted to feel important. He was no longer able to make what he wanted, he could only dream and pay lots of money for people to keep writing the 'how to' manuals.

    He started a fight, and now we are finishing it.

    I just pray that we finish soon.
     
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    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.
    European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms."


    So it looks like as late as 2002, the Iraqis were only one year away from having an atom bomb.:eek:
     
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    The irony is to be found in the alternative . . .

    Had GWBush let Saddam go forward, we would be facing 3 new axis of tyranny armed with nuclear weapons . . . EVERY one would blame him. But, EVERY one would vote republican . . .

    It is better to do the right thing and beg forgiveness than to have permission and do the wrong thing. IMHO.
     
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    I agree. We should have waited until he actually got them and used them and thousands upon thousands of Americans and Israelis, not to mention Iraqis who Saddam didn't like, were lying dead. God forbid we should actually PREVENT an insane blood-thirsty dictator from having such weapons in the first place.
    But don't worry, the way things are going with North Korea, thanks to the way liberals like you have done everything in your power to discredit Bush and the Iraq war effort, we will probably play it your way there, waiting until there are a whole mess of smoking bodies before we do anything. Liberal defense strategy at its finest.
     
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    Containment was working. He may have been trying, but he was not even close - the uranium he had was still under seal, no one would sell him any other, he had no centrifuge to refine it, no missile system to deliver it - he simply was not an imminent threat. David Kay, Bush's hand-picked inspector post invasion declared that Iraq had no nuclear programme.

    But his country did and does have oil. We have the contracts now and petrodollars will not become petroeuros. Hurrah!

    North Korea was a bigger nuclear threat since Bush came into office. Bush wouldn't be less incompetent if liberals such as I stopped pointing it out. Play it my way? Evidently you have no clue whatsoever what my way would be.

    Your hero, Bush, broke off negotiations and reneged on agreements put in place by his predacessors - only then did il Jong make good on his threat to make a bomb. You cannot blame liberals for this fiasco, Walguy.
     
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    AMEN. Thank God for GWB rather than JFK, or Algore.
     
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    It's not exactly news that Saddam once had a nuclear program, and ended it. Nor is it surprising that he kept records on it; the agreement never said he couldn't.

    Nor is it surprising that this is trotted out periodically by the few remaining Bush loyalists to "prove" that he had a program going on Dubya's watch, or to try to revive the "yellowcake" scam.

    It isn't working.
     
  20. Daisy

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    But what is surprising is that our government would post these how-to manuals for those countries and those without a country to access. They had also posted instructions on how to make chemical weapons like sarin. It's as though they created an easy-access online library for all your terrorist needs. Oops, not 'as though' - they actually unwittingly did do this.

    I dunno, I'm surprised they would be so shameless. That website was created in part to find scandal, but it is a scandal. These posters don't even seem to realize what the Bush administration has done here.
     
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