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Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by Plain Old Bill, Jul 6, 2005.

  1. UZThD

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    Bill:

    Derickson is it, eh! Gary was a help to me.

    I like Erickson, Strong, and Hodge... of course nitpicking guys like me always will perceive some lack in any writing. But I especially agree in regard to the Incarnation with Hodge in his discussion on Christ's human nature (nature requires an acting entity) and disagree with Erickson because of his form of kenoticism (losing the use of some divine attributes and the knowledge of God) Of course , I also disagree with Strong when he says that God the Son is theos but not ho theos.

    re a school, as I said, I would be very willing to freely give time to such an endeavor as you are discussing. But while I've had many experiences in my 35 years of public secondary school teaching in writing and delivering curricula, I'm inexperienced as an adminstrator and my computer skills are not good. Probably, therefore, my talents lie less in organization and more in teaching and curriculum design.

    Bill G.
     
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    Dear UZThD,
    I went on my cd this morning.It is Stanley Derickson PhD out of Salem Oregon.He went to Denver Baptist College & Seminary,Western Baptist College,Toledo Bible College & Seminary,& Trinity Seminary out of Indiana.On the Cd is says he can be contacted by calling 503-375-9393.His study can be seen on the Master Christian Library cd disk ! under Bible study, it can also be seen on Bible Centre.com,it's interesting reading.
    Curriculum design huh.That sounds like the ideal place to start to me. It might be a good idea for you to discuss this with Rhetorician.I would be willing to have input anywhere you guys would want me but I have some academic limitations .Lots of reading and personal study but no paperwork.I lack patience with institutions that talk about high levels of education and feed you pablum.My favorite studies come mainly out of DTS past presidents and authors as well as classical christian writers.I read classic theology and get my church history from the church fathers. I've read a fair amount of Edershiem,Torrey,Calvin,Edwards,Owen,Pink,Spugeon,MH,Lockyer,Bunyon,Fox, Josephus, and some others.It might sound a little korny but I also like Rice and McGee.
    I've helped plant 3 different churches and am past president of dove & Eagle Ministries which did institutional ministries. When I started out with them they were doing 8 services a month and when I finished we were doing over 150 services a month.We also trained church groups in how to conduct institutional ministries all over the country.I've passed out thousands of tracts and done a fair amount of one on one personal evangelism.I am presently doing some research in preparation to write a book or series of books on discipleship.
     
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    I tried to respond to your nice PM but your box was full. Thanks for the encouragement!

    Bill G.
     
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    Ask Rhetortician what his admin background is.Do you know anybody who is qualified who would be willing to teach greek on-line?
     
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    I have to head off to work now see you all in about 10 hours.
     
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    Good morning all I am back for a while.Looked in on you last night.
     
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    Hi Bill:

    Certainly not I as my Greek is not good. I really have to work to exegete in the original languages!

    But, your question exemplifies the object of my concern: Is such a school as you envision really needed?

    There are opportunities now to take Greek by distance learning! There are many of these. EG, that school which excentric mentioned for me is one.

    Oregon Theological Seminary, which has very qualified profs, and whose coursework, while not accredited , is accepted in transfer by some accredited schools as Western Seminary in Oregon , and OTS's sister institution ,Faith, in Washington, DOES offer Greek and many other courses by distance learning as well! In fact, whole degrees, in some cases, may be earned by DL

    It is true that most schools have tuition costs. OTS charges $120 per hour (I think).

    And it is true that I , in contrast, want to do , whatever I'm qualified to do, gratuitously because I am retired [ and I have wasted so many years following the wrong carrots! God has forgiven me because of Christ, but I still feel very badly about that! ] But I think also there are some free courses available by various institutions.

    Nevertheless , if there is a need AND if there is a school extant, and if that school wished my help, I would commit myself freely to give my time to it. But I know nothing about starting schools.

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    UZThD,

    The question seems to be to me, "Is there a need for the kind of school that could be offered on/or accessed by the BB?" There are plenty of us here to teach, admin, mentor, design curricula, et al.

    There is Paidagogos, Dr. Bob, UZThD, POBill, Broadus, and several others who would be willing to do what is necessary to get it up and running. If we answer the first, elemental, and fundamental question; it seems the answers will come axiomatically.

    The academic credentials are so thick here one could cut them with a knife. I too am slow in my Gk. work but could get up to speed if I only had a reason. Heck, here in Tennessee they will even let a public school teacher teach one subject out of their field.

    Most of the ones mentioned above could do just about any intro or survey work if given the time to review. Then they would really know the material. As we all know you never really know the subject matter until you teach the course for the first time!?

    sdg!

    rd
     
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    I think part of that is gathering the right kind of willing talent and properly blending and energizing it.The end product is what is of value.

    Right now you and Rhetorician are willing. As for my part,I am off on a recruiting trip so to speak.My thought is we would need 7 to 12 qualified men or men and women to get started.I think women could teach things like languages and church history without anybody raising a ruckas.

    What do you think?
     
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    Well it's late again we got kind of a late start. I will be back again about 10pm pacific daylight time.
     
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    "Seems to me some (not the above) who post at BB suppose they have have a direct line to Revelation!"

    So glad you understand that finally [​IMG]

    I spoke to POB by pm about the need thing as well. I know of a couple three online schools already, but I'd guess the educational background would not be to the level you gentlemen are speaking of.

    Does anyone know who owns this board? The idea that it be linked to the board if there is an interest seems a good one.

    Possibly a new thread asking if anyone else was interested would allow others to join in that have missed this thread. Or possibly pm some of those mentioned and see if there is interest.
     
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    UZThD,

    Why do you not start another well thought out thread question and see what kind of a response we have?

    Or, would you rather I do it? Just let me know.

    I will check back in in an hour or two.

    sdg!

    rd
     
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    this is just a quick look from google - three pages out of 11, not necessarily all sound, just a sample of what is online.

    http://www.trinitysem.edu
    http://www.blbi.org/
    http://www.webpastor.com/bi/
    http://www.ucwm.org/edu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=2
    http://www.ucmi.org/cim/seminary/
    http://www.virtualbibleschool.com/
    http://www.crosssearch.com/Education_and_Growth/Online_Training/ -- has a big list of them.
    http://www.ananswer.org/school/index.html

    Moody Bible Institute is doing extension now as well.

    Also as UZTHD mentioned a lot of regular seminaries/colleges are doing DL or online or extension courses.

    How about a mentoring of young men by the old duffers set up on a board like this (Maybe this one if they are interested) and have a thread for each student or each mentor that is password protected.

    Possibly invite young pastors to be and pastors to come to talk about assignments if in college, problems that they have in their churches. This would be private so could be more specific.

    I think a lot of mentoring goes on here that is very unofficial and would think it would be a great assist for the student, young pastor.

    I'd think older pastors could be a vast resource as mentors as well.

    Christ did a lot of teaching/training/discipling while on the road, so why not on the net?
     
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    UZThD,

    Why do you not start another well thought out thread question and see what kind of a response we have?

    Or, would you rather I do it? Just let me know.

    I will check back in in an hour or two.

    sdg!

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    you please, but you may say that I'm interested in participating .
     
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    [QB] this is just a quick look from google - three pages out of 11, not necessarily all sound, just a sample of what is online.

    http://www.trinitysem.edu
    http://www.blbi.org/
    http://www.webpastor.com/bi/
    http://www.ucwm.org/edu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=2
    http://www.ucmi.org/cim/seminary/
    http://www.virtualbibleschool.com/
    http://www.crosssearch.com/Education_and_Growth/Online_Training/ -- has a big list of them.
    http://www.ananswer.org/school/index.html

    Moody Bible Institute is doing extension now as well.

    Also as UZTHD mentioned a lot of regular seminaries/colleges are doing DL or online or extension courses.

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    That's the thing: how might a BB school be different?

    Perhaps , eg, by it having such qualities as:

    1) increased interaction between instructors and students,

    2) flexible curricula which could modify [up OR down in difficulty] goals, objectives, teaching stategies, and assignments to fit the the entry level of the student rather than requiring the student to adapt to it,

    3) no or nominal only fees,

    4) Baptistic distinctives,

    5) assignments geared to practical applications.
     
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