Obama Administration “Rigging” US Census By Counting Illegal Aliens

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    In essence, the Obama administration is rigging the US Census to steal a congressional seat from the State of Montana. This rigging will keep Montana from having a second congressional representative. If the illegals in California, Texas, and Florida are not included, then Montana will receive two congressional seats and four electoral votes. Under Obama’s rigging plan, Montana will continue to have only one congressional seat and three electoral votes.
    Considering the major media and even most “conservative” talking heads have said virtually nothing about this monstrous misallocation of constitutional government is just the latest example of how truly out of touch the people who are entrusted to inform the American people really are.
    The plaintiff in this case is the State of Louisiana, which has now been joined and supported by amici U.S. Border Control, U.S. Border Control Foundation, U.S. Justice Foundation, Institute on the Constitution, Gun Owners of America, Inc., Gun Owners Foundation, English First, English First Foundation, Conservative Legal Defense and Education Fund, The Lincoln Institute for Research and Education, Public Advocate of the United States, Policy Analysis Center, Virginia Del. Bob Marshall, Oklahoma Rep. Charles Key, Maryland Del. Don Dwyer, Washington Rep. Matt Shea, Wyoming Sen. Kit Jennings, as well as Candidate for Governor of Montana, Bob Fanning, and Candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Montana, Chuck Baldwin...


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    "Considering the major media and even most “conservative” talking heads have said virtually nothing about this monstrous misallocation of constitutional government is just the latest example of how truly out of touch the people who are entrusted to inform the American people really are."

    Instead of using "media" in our posts might we now use "Pravda"?
     
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    Wasn't that an assumed "given" seeing as how he coopted the census taking exercise in the Executive Branch?

    I recall debating about that way back when...

    Now, as everyone who understands Obama already knew, this is news?
     
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    You realize that illegal aliens were counted in the census in 1990 and 2000 as well, right?
     
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    Maybe we should count the illegals as 3/5ths of a white citizen?
     
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    This isn't about the count, as made evident in the O/P. It is about stealing a congressional seat.
     
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    We should count the illegals as 0/5ths of any citizen. Even the white ones.
     
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    The OP asserts that the "Obama administration is rigging the US Census to steal a congressional seat".

    How exactly are they doing that? They are following the law (which requires counting illegals). This is the same law that was followed in 1990 and 2000. What exactly is the Obama administration doing to "rig" this?
     
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    I don't know. Why don't you find some info on it, and show how those numbers were used to do the same thing ?
     
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    The numbers aren't being "used". The numbers are simply what they are. They are counts. The counts are used in a predetermined method to figure out representation.

    Again, I ask how is the Obama Administration "rigging" the US Census? That's the entire premise of the OP. Could you demonstrate the "rigging"?
     
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    I don't know what your line of questioning is. If the answer isn't in the article provided, I don't have one for you. I'm simply not going to take your word that a president used the illegal alien count to change a voting district. Prove it.

    Having interacted with both you and him, I'm gonna trust him. I passed it on. If you like it, do the same. If not, then don't.
     
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    You just keep being a sheep and believing anything someone writes.

    I'll continue to read things, and then utilize my brain to come to my own conclusions.

    Must be a fun life you have there, sheep!

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    Then show us all what you are talking about. I simply don't believe you.
     
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    >This isn't about the count, as made evident in the O/P. It is about stealing a congressional seat.

    All aliens are communists or just Spanish speaking aliens?
     
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    What exactly is it that you want me to show you?

    Let me break it down.

    The OP asserts that the Obama administration is somehow "rigging" the census and stealing congressional seats by counting illegal aliens in Census 2010.

    I'm simply letting you know that counting illegal aliens in the census is not something new. It is required by law and was done in 1980, 1990 and 2000 as well.

    There was a well publicized lawsuit in 1988 where congressmen from (basically) smaller states sued saying that it was stealing seats from their districts. The larger states lobbied against he lawsuit. The lawsuit was denied.

    So, what I'm telling you is that this isn't anything new. Counting illegals in the census has been going on well prior to the Obama administration. This isn't something they cooked up. In fact, the Obama administration had no say so in it according to the law and precedents set in court.

    Hey, I'm all for bashing the Obama administration when they deserve it. But it makes our side look ignorant when we bash them for things that simply aren't true.
     
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    I want you to show me where another president used a count of illegals to refuse a congressional seat to a state.

    And even if it HAS been the norm, then I am glad someone is finally bringing attention to it.
     
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    You could do a lot of good here, but instead you subject us to this. What does this do for you ?
     
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    It's not a matter of a President using counts. It's the matter of they count and there is an algorithm that tells them where the seats go. It's no more in a Presidents control than yours or mine.
     
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    The list of plaintiffs is pretty big. I'm glad this many folks have signed on to stop this.


    The plaintiff in this case is the State of Louisiana, which has now been joined and supported by amici U.S. Border Control, U.S. Border Control Foundation, U.S. Justice Foundation, Institute on the Constitution, Gun Owners of America, Inc., Gun Owners Foundation, English First, English First Foundation, Conservative Legal Defense and Education Fund, The Lincoln Institute for Research and Education, Public Advocate of the United States, Policy Analysis Center, Virginia Del. Bob Marshall, Oklahoma Rep. Charles Key, Maryland Del. Don Dwyer, Washington Rep. Matt Shea, Wyoming Sen. Kit Jennings, as well as Candidate for Governor of Montana, Bob Fanning, and Candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Montana, Chuck Baldwin.
    Attorneys filing this brief before the US Supreme Court are Herbert W. Titus, William J. Olson, John S. Miles, Jeremiah L. Morgan (of the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C. of Vienna, Virginia) and Gary G. Kreep (of the U.S. Justice Foundation).


    As citizens of the State of Montana, and as candidates for Governor and Lieutenant Governor of the State of Montana, Bob Fanning and I are outraged at this unconstitutional manipulation of the 2010 US Census, and the subsequent unconstitutional and unlawful misapportionment of the US House of Representatives. We are further outraged that our own governor, Brian Schweitzer (the incumbent Democrat governor who is term-limited out of office after the completion of his current term) has done nothing to prevent the people of the State of Montana from being denied the rightful seating of an additional US House member from the Montana delegation to Washington, D.C. He has not served as Montana’s watchman, to make certain that our State is being treated fairly by the Obama administration. Louisiana has been forced to go it alone, as the only State willing to bring this challenge. By not joining the lawsuit against the Obama administration, what Governor Schweitzer in essence is doing is allowing illegal aliens to deny the due representation of the citizens of Montana in Washington, D.C. This is an outrage!
    It is a gross misinterpretation of the US Constitution to claim that the US Census is supposed to “count everyone living in this country.” Article. I. Section. I. Clause 3. as amended by Section. 2. of the 14th Amendment authorizes “a targeted decennial census of the ‘respective numbers’ of ‘the People’ of the several States, not a wholesale count of the numbers of persons found ‘living’ in the United States.” The term “the People” is a technical term used in the U.S. Constitution to refer to the polity, that is, the people who constituted the government and who are legal citizens of the nation. Only by such a tailored count can the constitutionally-authorized decennial census serve the purpose for which that census has been required–the apportionment of representation of the people of the several states in the U.S. House of Representatives.
     
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