Obama and Gates Gut the Military

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  1. carpro

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914897083399179.html#mod=djemEditorialPage

    Obama and Gates Gut the Military
    The secretary's new budget will leave us weaker to pay for the president's domestic

    By THOMAS DONNELLY and GARY SCHMITT

    On Monday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced a significant reordering of U.S. defense programs. His recommendations should not go unchallenged.

    In the 1990s, defense cuts helped pay for increased domestic spending, and that is true today. Though Mr. Gates said that his decisions were "almost exclusively influenced by factors other than simply finding a way to balance the books," the broad list of program reductions and terminations suggest otherwise. In fact, he tacitly acknowledged as much by saying the budget plan represented "one of those rare chances to match virtue to necessity" -- the "necessity" of course being the administration's decision to reorder the government's spending priorities.
     
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    We knew Odrama was going to gut it.Most likely worse than Clinton did. And once again we will return to pre-911 safety measures and intelligence capabilities.
     
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    An editorial piece, not news, from the now-corporate sibling of Faux News. The WSJ has become yet another mouthpiece for the right. Too bad.

    Making the military more efficient and eliminating wasteful programs is a good thing, as long as fat is cut and not meat.
     
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    Making it weaker is not a good thing.

    That is what is happening and it will get worse. Much worse.
     
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    Another huge twisting of facts by the right. Are you guys ever interested in truth or just slandering the current administration. If I recall, bearing false witness was included in the list of things we shouldn't do.

    Let's look at the facts and the big picture, where it is true the administration is cutting some of the wasted programs like the F-22 Raptor (the program is waaay over budget and the jets don't perform nearly as requested or advertised) and a missile defense system (you guys make like our current missile defense isn't adequate and couldn't have taken out the NK missile. Not true...). That frees up money for defense spending that works and that makes sense for this new era of war. We are still spending with the cold war mentality while it is clear those weapons don't work well in urban warfare which is will be the setting for future wars as long as terrorist exist.

    The cuts being made will allow increased spending on the weapons and defense currently needed by our troops currently in combat.

    Now here is the painful twisting of facts by the right, Obama budget proposal for 2010 actually increases the defense spending. He isn't cutting defense spending so he can spend more on social programs like the right is saying. He is increasing the defense budget. I bet they didn't tell you that in the Republican talking points. The defense budget is being increased from $513 billion, ($655 billion with the wars) to $534 billion ($664 billion with the wars). He is increasing the defense budget.

    How do you call an increase in defense spending "gutting the military". Is it just because he's not spending on the things you think he should be buying?

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/gates.budget.cuts/index.html

    Obama said he would go through every federal budget line by line and get rid of waste so we can concentrate on good investments. This is his first step but you will see other departments experience this same trimming of the fat. I would think the party in favor of tax cuts and smaller government would be very supportive of him trimming government fat...

    Perhaps it is not smaller government you hope to achieve, it is government reduced your way only cutting what you say...
     
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    Cutting the budget for Missile Defense is stupid and an invitation to disaster but O'bama rex could care less.
     
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    Can you show how our defense is being made weaker? Do you think our current missile defenses couldn't have shot down that NK missile? You do know we are generations from the cold war defense systems which could have shot down that missile back in the cold war days?

    All this fear mongering by the right doesn't look good on Christians... For God didn't give us the spirit of fear... We really shouldn't own it...
     
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    How is it stupid if the new system is not as good as our current systems? That is why it is still under development. Do you think our current missile defenses are not adequate? So if our current system is good enough to take out attacking missiles, how is this an invitation to disaster?
     
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    He is also not going to deploy some anti missile systems in Alaska. Could this be another attack on Governor Palin. Perhaps North Korea will remove the threat to the leftist anti-Americans that she poses.
     
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    We really don't need pontification from the side that thinks it's okay to murder babies. Spare us.

    Obama want to make us a nation of military wimps. He is proving this by his deeds and as his long-time mentor Jeremiah Wright preached, "the chickens will come home to roost" although not in the way Wright meant it.

    I believe when the next terrorist attack on American soil comes, we will see just how much Obama hates this nation. Mark my words. :tear:
     
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    This is what the author says about the current economic crisis.

    The budget cuts Mr. Gates is recommending are not a temporary measure to get us over a fiscal bump in the road.


    Anyone who calls the current crisis a fiscal bump in the roar is way, way out of touch with reality.
     
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    No, we have adequate defense systems in AK and have had them from the times of the soviet threat. Not only the allusion islands but the northern parts of AK are more protected than anyone realizes. If Gov Palin should know that and not look so naive calling for more missiles like she is. What she is doing is confirming what the rest of us know, she doesn't have a clue.

    What does she want, the US to make public our defenses just to shut her up?

    Listen, currently, this day, no missile in existance can penetrate onto our land unless we allow it. And the North American Defense shield also protects our bothers in Canada. All this talk about Obama is making us vulnerable is just right wing fear mongering. There is yet to be a missile that can penetrate our air space and that one NK built doesn't come close. We say it via satellite from the time it was launched. We had absolutely nothing to fear.
     
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    The Federal Governments primary responsibility is the defense of the country. The liberals/leftists have fought this truth since WWII and that is a fact.
     
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    I said that??? That's it's ok to murder babies???

    If you associate the next terrorist attack to Obama hatred to this nation then we should attribute 9/11 to Bush hatred for the nation. What you are saying is if we are attacked then it's because of the presidents hatred for our nation.

    Also, you can bet the next attack won't be by missile. That means the money he is redirecting is probably better served defending a more likely threat. What good is an expensive missile system against an anthrax attack? Trust me, you don't need to watch the sky's. No missile will penetrate our current defenses.
     
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    Can you show where are defense is weak? I don't understand your protest, we are as safe today as we were under Bush and Reagan. Do you want him to push the button? Would that make you feel more safe? Because defensively we are safer than any other country in the world.
     
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    The above post is sheer nonsense and factually wrong. There was no operating Missile Defense System until after the fall of the Soviet Union, actually until after President Bush took office. There are only a limited number of missiles available that could destroy an incoming ICBM. A mass attack by Russia or China would overwhelm any system we have. If you think that multiple missiles could not penetrate our air space, pathetic?:tear::tear:

    You may be correct that the allusion islands are protected!:laugh::laugh:
     

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