OBAMA CARE: How many jobs will it lose?

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Fact: 1/6 of US economy is healthcare industry. QUESTION: How many jobs will be lost under Obama Care or the House Bill ?

    This issue needs to be addressed! All healthcare related businesses from pharmacies to dialysis centers to nursing homes to outpatient surgical centers could potentially close their doors under the "public option" in Obama Care - including any related industries for goods and services - from claims processors to manufacturers of prosthetics.

    If the profit incentive is lost, if the free market in healthcare has a wrecking ball taken to it, millions of healthcare employees could end up losing employment. Literally millions of jobs could be at stake but I've not heard any politician address this issue.

    To wreck 1/6 of the American economy and cause millions of more people to lose their jobs while driving this country further in debt is absurd!

    Here is an old link about Tennessee - 1/5 of this region's economy.

    June, 2007: "Health care injects $18.3 billion annually into the middle Tennessee economy and accounts for more than one-fifth of the region's nonfarm employment, the report found. Conducted by the Business and Economic Research Center at the Jennings Jones College of Business at Middle Tennessee State University, the report examined the impact of the health care industry on business."

    http://www.allbusiness.com/health-care/health-care-overview/8765127-1.html

    With our economy already in peril, under indebtedness to the Chinese and others for billions of dollars, if you are in the healthcare industry, will you lose your job under Obamacare? These are serious questions Senators and Congressmen need to ask - how will destroying 1/6 of the American economy affect the unemployment rates across this nation?

    I see it having a devastating effect. Healthcare used to be one main recession-proof and economically secure industry. Obamacare will destroy that and millions of more Americans will be standing in unemployment lines if this universal healthcare system goes through. Mark my words. Elected officials/Politicians need to get their heads out of the Obama scam and Beltway bubble and get down to EARTH!

    Just the impact on our economy/jobs alone should give every American cause for concern.

    Bottom line, Senator and Congressman: Are you 535 people willing to give up the healthcare benefits you presently enjoy and be subject to the same plan as the MILLIONS of Americans you want to impose this on?

    IF NOT, don't force me onto it!
     
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    I would say about half the doctors, with their associated employees, would be forced out of business.
     
  3. Magnetic Poles

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    Based upon what? Something you pulled out of that productive hat?
     
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    I'll answer that. If doctors have to put up with MORE government regulations interfering in patient care and to get reimbursed than they already do, and if doctors have to practice under mandates of some bureaucrat defining for them what treatments to give or withhold based upon some "healthcare czar's cost analysis" instead of what is best for patient care (of all ages, including seniors) or some form of government mandate or quotas that go against their personal ethics or moral positions (such as abortions, euthanasia, etc.), AND if the profit factor is taken away (based upon degrees of education, patient volume, self pay, private pay, taxes on certain procedures, etc.) they will FLEE the healthcare industry, either retire, or cease clinical practice. We already have a shortage of students in US medical schools (which is why we recruit so many from abroad). Hospitals that will be mandated by the federal government to perform abortions or euthanasia procedures (like Catholic hospitals) will probably close their doors.

    The staff and workers from just doctors and hospitals leaving practice that no longer have jobs, will have a big effect on adding to unemployment. Add to that all the companies (large corporations and small businesses) that provide goods and services (such as mentioned above) that no longer can see a profit for those goods and services but are stuck to a one-payer system (like Medicare or Medicaid), they will close their doors and those employees will be out of business and out of work.

    Now add in nurses: We already have a shortage of nurses in this country. If some government cap is put on what their wages can be, they will leave the field. More unemployment.

    The occupant of the WH has no idea how healthcare in this country works (see his remarks about doctors performing unnecessary surgeries, i.e., taking your kid to the doctor for a sore throat and the doctor taking tonsils out - NOTE: Pediatricians do not perform tonsillectomies.....otolaryngologists do that, for example, and they can't perform a T&A unless there has been documented chronic tonsillitis, etc., & there are tissue boards, and Peer Review, and Utilization Review, and a host of other self-governing and federal government rules and regs that have to be followed already - for example to show Obama doesn't know what he speaks about). The Beltway has no idea how healthcare in this country works - THEY are ENTITLED to the best healthcare plan in the world, yet they want to impose upon the rest of us a socialized medicine that they will not be subject to. Like we are cattle.

    If you want to debate this, go head, but prove me wrong. I have been employed in healthcare for over 40 years (from hospitals to private physician practices) and I can tell you, NO ONE in DC has thought through the ramifications of cause and effect of dismantling our present healthcare system in lieu of a universal healthcare plan. The effect will be lower quality healthcare with government mandates and quotas, increasing unemployment and loss of jobs in the healthcare industry, small business bankruptcies --- all inevitable with the proposed changes they want to make!!

    If you just consider those big bad insurance companies like BC/BS alone laying off employees (supply and demand), the unemployment numbers will soar!! (claims processors, adjustors, coders, billers, patient/physician laiason, etc.)
     
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    The profit motive has already been forced out of many / most doctors because of insurance company reductions in payments and high malpractice insurance rates. I have 3 MD friends who have retired early because it's hardly worth it anymore.
     
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    Over the past couple of days Obama has been telling doctors that they need to make less money (words to that effect).

    Do you think that the Obama plan will result in higher income for doctors or lower than they have now?

    Before you talk about the cost of malpractice insurance remember that the Obama plan does nothing in the way of tort reform.
     
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    Yep, that's another thing that the people in the bubble on the Beltway haven't considered either. The premiums for Obstetrical malpractice insurance, it boggles the mind. Strikes are already against the doctors without revamping the best healthcare delivery system on the planet.

    And guess what, unlike what the present occupant of the WH thinks, most doctors don't even KNOW what they are reimbursed for procedures - that is left up to their practice or office managers to oversee billing and collection for provider services.

    Most physicians are too busy practicing medicine (and tend to not get involved in the business end of their practice) to deal with dollars and cents on a daily basis or how much profit they can make or not make except on those occasions where they have to justify to Medicare to get reimbursed for why a patient had to be kept in the hospital for an outpatient procedure (like a cataract surgery, for example, and the patient has no ride home that day, etc.).
     
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    Thanks Lady Eagle. I just made up that number but what is worse is that we don't know how many doctors will just quit.

    My wife has been going to the Emory Eye Clinic in Atlanta for 6 years. They treat over 50,000 [It may be closer to 100,000.] people from the southeast each year.

    The Retina Specialists there tell me that it takes a minimum of 14 years to become a Retina Specialist. A local Retina Specialist told me that there only about 7 who complete the training in this country each year.

    Who is going to spend that much time just to have a bureaucrat dictate how to practice to them?
     
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    i haven't seen the statement that doctors need to make less money. can you show a link? No, I think doctors need to make more money and insurance companies need to make less.

    I would agree that tort reform needs to be made. You can't accomplish everything in one bill.
     
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    I personally know three doctors. We've talked about this.

    One will retire immediately if this passes.

    The other two will begin to transition out of the medical field.

    I know that's not representative...but I know of few doctors that have any desire to become government employees.

    Most doctors, in dealing with Medicare/Medicaid, have had all the government headaches they want. Why deal with it full-time?
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    Speculation aside as to what may or may not happen, OR made my point. He made up the number. There will obviously be ramifications, but I don't believe for a minute the scenario that LE has laid out. But I have said on another thread, this needs to be carefully studied, and that there WILL be unintended consequences. But we should not continue the status quo. We spend more on healthcare than almost any other nation, and we are way down the list on infant mortality, lifespan, and overall health. Something is out of whack.
     
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    Reliable source please or did you emulate me?
     
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    OR, as much as I hold you in the highest esteem, and would likely do well to emulate you in some regards, I have seen these things on news reports. However, here are a couple of good sources to get you started:

    Infant mortality

    Per capita health care expense
     
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    At the same time there are not only two choices and tax payer funded socialism is not the best or even efficient way to do it.
     
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    A couple of quick observations:

    "Per capita health care expenses: Health expenditure includes the provision of health services (preventive and curative), family planning activities, nutrition activities"

    No doubt "Family planning activites" includes - abortion, condoms, planned parenthood, sex ed, etc. I hardly consider this to be "health care".

    I imagine that "nutrition activities" includes diets centers, diet program, dieting suppliments, and diet food plans as well as "fat farms".

    Lets not forget how much of that "expense" also includes elective surgeries such as lifts, implants, reductions, hair removal, hair transplants, nose jobs, etc.

    Also the U.S. is the world's hospital when it comes to major surgeries such as heart transplants, etc. I suspect that all of that "expense" is also included.

    IOW - that link is pretty worthless.
     
  16. Magnetic Poles

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    Of course you do. :laugh: Then why don't you get us a breakdown rather than mere speculation. And what is wrong with preventive care and nutrition? That indeed reduces expense on the back end. Cheaper to stay healthy than to get a triple bypass.
     
  17. Bro. Curtis

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    So you support the government telling us what we can eat, and what to do to stay in shape ?

    What was that about constitutional government you were saying in another thread ?

    And which among our physically fit role-model congress people will form the committee that decides ?

    Why were we supposed to be so afraid of the Patriot act ? Remind me, will you ?
     
  18. Magnetic Poles

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    There you go again, creating strawmen faster than I can burn them. Don't you get tired, what with all the constructing those strawmen and then attacking them?
     
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    That's yer response, eh ?

    I guess you got nothin'.

    Don't you get sick of being caught in inconsistencies ?

    Unless you wanna explain why their strawmen. Do you support government invasion of privacy, or not.
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    Just in case you are really as dumb as you like to play, here ya go. Pay attention...I'll only do this once.

    My stating that there is nothing wrong with preventive health care has nothing to do with what you said. NOWHERE did I say anything about government mandated diets. That is as big a strawman as you can get. You make that absurd statement and then start flying off on one of your idiotic tangents about something that was never stated nor inferred.

    BTW, I don't believe you are that boneheaded for a minute. It is your typical tactic of derailment.
     

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