Obama Endorses Homosexuality

You're presuming that a person who professes to be gay is going to engage in sexual activity. Yet when a person professes to be straight, there is no presumption that such a person is going to engage in sexual activity. Therein lies the disparity.

 

I'm a history buff. And there have been documents showing the compliants of women who were married to spartans that would not sleep and inpregnate them. Part of their culture was to have a mentor take control of training the young spartan to make him a beter warrior as part of the Agoge

Note deminishing populace is what did the spartans in. Not revisionist history but the truth.

 

Only if good order and discipline are ignored. A persons sexuality won't necissarily cause that problem. Note I never said all spartans were homosexual but certainly it was prevelant in their society and that society was a ordered disciplined one.
England in the 1800 had a well ordered military and there were many homosexuals in that military. Sexual orientation is irrelevant to discipline. History has shown that Homosexuals are just as disciplined as anyone else.
Problem is as I've stated that the kind of Homosexual that will now enlist are those who are in their nature anarchist. That is more of a problem hopefully military training will seperate that type of person whether homosexual or not out.

 

What is the best intellectual response to this.............




Baloney. Ever see a homosexual parade? When you let them loose they get real loose. They are arrogant, proud and in your face.

 

I've given historical fact about Homosexuals and the military. Spartans to the English. Both had effective militaries and the Homosexuals were a part of that. So its not "Baloney". It just is.
Now with regard to the "homosexual parade"; I've seen them and a type of homosexual is involved with these "parades". As I've already mentioned this type of Homosexual is an anarchist. They are Anti-establishment. These will cause problems for the military as I've pointed out. However, they don't represent the whole population of homosexual just one radical segment of it. My hope is that basic weeds out these crazies whether they are homosexual or dope smoking hetrosexuals.

 

You have presented claims of homosexual history and even if they be true it says nothing about what is going on now and here in this time frame. Nothing you have presented proves the attitudes of people today. Another time, another land, another culture, another people. What they did is not evidence of what people today will do.

They represent the majority. Have you ever spent much time with them. I have and you can be sure it is prevalent. And any homosexual is a "crazy" and needs to be weeded out. Oh my how our current culture has become desensitized and hearts seared. Very, very sad.

 

Yet it is your opinion that a "homsexual parade" is typical of how most homosexuals behave? Such a parade is no more evidence on what a gay man will do in the military than what a gay man did in the Spartan military. What IS evidence is what most gay men who are in the military currently do. They most often do nothing, and serve with honor and distinction. I don't particularly oppose "dont' ask don't tell", but nothing evidentiary has been demonstrated in this thread so far that suggests lifting the policy will be a detriment to the military.

 

No, homosexual activity is a direct threat to discipline and good order in the military. In the same way that there's a difference between being simply straight and engagin in heterosexual activity, there's a difference between simply being gay, and engaging in homosexual activity. No one in this thread so far endorses homosexual activity in the military, and I think we all would abhor any such endorsement.

 

I don't disagree with you about our society being desensitized. I do. However, there are many classes of Homosexual. Some are very disciplined and are contributors to society. The only way you know them from a Heterosexual is to ask. Apart from that you wouldn't know. Then there are the extreme drag queen, homosexual parade type that gets most of the publicity. These I would not encourage into military service. Just like I wouldn't encourage a dope smoking, porn watching, liberal to join the military either.
I personally want congress to keep out of it. Homosexuals should keep stuff t themselves and not advertize and the less I know the better. However, the politicians don't see it that way.

 

I want congress to stay out of as much as possible. This is the Military and therefore the Fed. Congress needs to be in it at every level.

 

Your statement has no basis in History or fact. Homosexuals have played a significant role in the military throughout history. I don't advocate for homosexuals in our military but I won't falsely catagorize them just because they are homosexual. After all wasn't Alexander the great a bisexual?

 

give me your "sources" of fact. The majority of heterosexuals a lowlife loosers who hate God do you say keep all heterosexuals out of the military? Your logic doesn't follow.

 

Homosexuality is always wrong morally. I agree its wrong. Not everyone adheres to my morality. Fornication, adultery is also wrong you going to kick these people out as well?