Obama files to repeal DOMA

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  1. Revmitchell

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    A conservative black pastor in Washington, DC, is expressing outrage over President Obama's decision to file a legal brief in support of repealing the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).


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    Where does the Constitution empower the feds to "defend" marriage?
     
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    When Federal Law promotes/ supports/ encourages laws and regulation contrary to marriage.

    Our system is based on the Consitution AND Common Law.
     
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    knew it would happen. and there are christians having trouble seeing the evil of this man. read the bible and this evil becomes evident.
     
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    You are aware, aren't you, that the homosexual agenda is trying to use the "feds" to give them special rights?
     
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    I favor DOMA. However, I have a problem with the fact that DOMA restricts the rights of states on the issue of marriage. Marriage is a state issue, and I'm not comfortable with the feds getting involved, regardless of where one stands on DOMA.
     
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    Well get ready because soon the feds will force the states to recognize gay marriage.
     
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    Exactly what I have been saying. Which is why I believe ministers who act as agents of the state in signing state marriage licenses may be in jeopardy in the near future. But of course, as was so delicately pointed out to me, I must be over-reacting, surely agents of the state would never be require to comply with state and federal law governing homosexual marriage.
     
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    Sounds good to me. I've never been in favor of DOMA. It doesn't threaten my marriage if others, who are not Christians, marry someone they choose.

    I don't believe Christians have the right to force their beliefs on those who don't believe like they do.

    This country was founded on religious freedom, which includes the right to not practice any religion at all.
     
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    Here's the problem for that position: God isn't going to longsuffer this nation perverting the institution He created with what He considers to be an abomination forever. Sooner or later judgement shall fall on this nation. Now, while I believe He shall preserve the faithful, I'd also rather not see this nation brought down for such sins.

    And by the way, being against homosexual marriage isn't necessarily being in favor of God. It's being in favor of the natural order of things. Look in nature and what do you see: rampant homosexuality? Of course not, the animals have enough sense to know males go with females. Sadly the human race does not. Men with men and women with women is not only an abomination, it doesn't make sense either.
     
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    It is statements like this from Obama supporters that make me realize Satan is the puppetmaster....
     
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    Was there ever any question?
     
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    God didn't create the institution of marriage. God created the covenant of marriage. Entering into a legal marriage does not automatically imply a sacred covenant. A sacred covenant requires much more than a legal contract.
    There's a problem with that analogy. If you look at nature, you see rampant polygamy. That isn't by any stretch a license for humans to be unfaithful (although, some have argued such). You're right, hwoever, that simply being against same sex marriage isn't akin to being in favor of God. Being against gay marriage is simply an assertion that there is a societal benefit to limiting the legal institution of marriage to two individuals of the same gender. With this assertion, I concur completely. That said, the issue fo marriage should be up to each state. Each state currently gets to decide for itself what limitations and restrictions to place on those seeking a legal marriage. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of interfering with states' sovereignty in that aspect.
     
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    I agree, marriage is a state where two become one. Bone on bone and flesh on flesh. This is not a legal event, it is a spiritual union.
     
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    Two points:

    1. It's not a far jump from this statement to the lie of "you cannot legislate morality." That's a lie. Laws are an enforcement, in some manner, of a moral code. (Of course, there are bad laws, and poor morals enforced. But hopefully, I made a clear point here).

    2. What does "not practice any religion at all" have to do with the DOMA? That law does not force anyone to worship God, or a false god.

    But hey...why not let 3 people marry? 5 people? A whole town? Or let people marry their pet armadillos? Why have any rules? All they do is get in the way...
     
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    quite PC but not a biblical or godly opinion, nothing Christ like to it.
     
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    People are getting what they voted for. Surprise! Surprise!
     
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    Good to see is keeping at least some of his campaign promises:tongue3:
     
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    There seems to be a double standard going on here. There are those not wanting the government to interfere in healthcare, something they are decidedly against, yet they want the federal government to protect marriage (like that is even possible).

    We are probably headed to a situation where we will loose the government recognized marriages all together. We will end up with across the board civil unions for tax and legal reasons and with people having to choose to have a church marriage ceremony.

    Actually that sounds pretty good to me, the courts get what they need and the churches get what they want - the freedom to bless whomever they choose.
     
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    Even if it is a double standard, is that necessarily bad all the time? The stage on which legislation is played is frequently wrought with imperfections, inconsistencies, and double standards. Welcome to the world of the democratic process, warts and all.
     

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