Obama to charge our wounded warriors

Yesterday's mud raking. This proposal has been taken off the table.

 

Obama's trial baloon exploded , revealing him for the liberal military hater he is in the process.

He has no brains. Turns out he has no guts either.

 

Now that I had some time to refresh my memory, you are technically right. On paper it appears he increased their budget each year. What he did was a smoke and mirror game with the budget. Here are the details...

In an attempt to show he could balance the budget by 2010, Bush submitted and signed the "Military Quality of Life and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act, 2006", where he had projected that 23,553 veterans would return that year from Iraq and Afghanistan and seek medical treatment. This was clearly lower than the current and previous years. The number he used were from 2002 when we had only the war in Afghanistan and even there we weren't fully engaged. This move led to a $2.6 Billion Shortfall in Vet Medical Care.

The Republican's later revised those projection using the more realistic number of 103,000 so they could make up some of the short fall. The VA had to tighten the belt a bit to adjust for the rest of the short fall.

Here is one article that will get you started... I am looking for some other information because he did something similar with the next years budget.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062800545.html

Reading on this was real interesting. I guess I had forgot a lot of the things Bush did like requesting wounded and deceased soldiers pay back their bonuses. You can see more of the things on this page... This page also links to number of suicide levels amongst returning vets...

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/12/military_life.html

 

So stop speading lies.

 

Before I go further with this let me be the first to say I am proud and would never want to take away from anyone who has defended our life of freedom. So I hope no one gets the impression I am demeaning the sacrifice these men and women gave to our country.

This is from your site on Winters...

So using this account, Easy Company was in training from 1942 to until June 1944 when they finally went into combat. The Germans surrendered around April 1945 so their total possible time in combat during a 4 year war was less than one year. If I recall correctly they got a good rest period after the battle of the bulge. I can't recall exactly how long but I know they were taken off the line for a while because that was quit an experience.

@OldRegular = You are right about the Marines in the Pacific theater. I forgot about them. They did spend a lot more time in actual combat though they did get a break after conquering each island as they prepared for the assault to take the next island.

 

Where did I lie? If you purposely under estimate the number of troops that will need medical treatment just to make your budget look smaller. How is that different from cutting the budget? The net effect is exactly the same. Not enough bucks to accomplish the mission so some services will go unfunded.

 

Wow, I forgot about this one, any of you guys remember Bush and the 'stop loss' order that kept soldiers from leaving the service. Basically it stopped you from leaving service after your enlistment was up. It also stopped soldiers from retiring. I forgot about that one but I recall it didn't go over too well at all...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-05-army-troops_x.htm

Well, looks like Obama just ended this practice today...

 

Preventing soldiers from exiting at the end of their term of service or to retire has been practiced long before Bush ever came along.

 

It comes with the territory.

Every serviceman knows it.


It's a lot of fun watching LeBuick try to change every thread about Obama to Bush.

I'd call such pitiful efforts an unhealthy obsession about a man that is no longer in office.

Bro Curtis coined the right name for Obama as "the Zero". He nailed it.:thumbs:

Another 911 is on the way.

 

Since you brought up Audie Murphy, I took the time to piece together his time in combat. Using many sites this was what I was able to come up with. If someone finds a mistake, please feel free to correct it.

He enlisted at the age of 16 in June 1942. He was 5’5” and weighed 110 lbs.

After basic and advanced infantry training he arrived in North Africa in February of 1943

His first combat came when he took part in operation Husky which was the liberation of Sicily on July 10, 1943. I can’t find out when he left but the operation lasted from July 9, 1943 until August 17, 1943

He was then in Operation Avalanche which was a landing near Salerno[1] that went from 3 September 1943 – 16 September 1943

The 3rd Division next saw combat during Operation Dragoon which was the invasion of Southern France which began on August 15, 1944.

Murphy was wounded in the hip and spent 10 weeks in the hospital recovering. He returned to combat a few days before January 25, 1945 which is when he was wounded by a mortar round and was promoted to 2nd Lieutenant.

The next day, January 26, 1945 the temperature was 14 °F (−10 °C) with 24 inches (61 cm) of snow on the ground is when the famous the battle at Holtzwihr, France began. This is where the tank scene in hell and back took place.

Murphy was then removed from the front lines and made a liaison officer and was promoted to 1st lieutenant on February 22, 1945.

On June 10, 1945 Murphy left Paris by plane, arriving in San Antonio, Texas four days later.

From my calculations, Murphy spend 3 years in service and about 23 weeks in combat.

 

Not if you go by Wiki... Looks like it was started by the first Bush, Clinton used it then the second Bush has used it. That is if you can believe Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policy

 

Your research on Murphy is like so much of your other "research". Faulty, incomplete , and biased to make your point.

You show Murphy only serving approximately 2 weeks in Italy. Just a cursory check of records reveals that the 3RD ID served in Italy for at least 9 months, fighting at Anzio, Volturno and the final push to Rome. Murphy was with them the entire time.

Basically, you're all wet and spending a lot of time "proving" positions you hold that are indefensible.

Give it up. You biases prevent you from being honest about your mistaken assumptions, making your credibility just about nil.

 

True.

At least by some other name. WWII enlistments were for the "duration", no matter how long it took.

That somehow seems worse than having your tour extended for a short period of time. No end in sight sort of thing.

The practise of extended service was also used liberally during the Korean War and on a very limited basis during the Vietnam war.

 

As I explained, I didn't think to follow the 3rd ID. I tried to just follow Audie. Thanks for the idea of following the 3rd ID. Here is the portion you question;

According to Wiki this 9 months was not a strait shot. I found this;

I agree, that was a big chunk I missed but it was not on purpose which is why I included the disclaimer. However, we know they had a rest period between Sept invasion of Salerno and Jan invasion of Anzio.

So according to this site, the division came out of the line November 17, 1943

I also found this on another site, "Audie missed the next invasion at Anzio due to a serious attack of malaria. So I am not sure which parts Murphy was there for.

So lets change the two weeks to 8 weeks for Sept to Nov of 1943 then we can add another 16 weeks from Jan 22, 1944 to May 1944 when they entered Rome even though "Audie missed the next invasion at Anzio due to a serious attack of malaria".

So adding the new numbers to the existing 23 weeks brings us to 45 weeks. So out of 3 years of service, he was in combat 45 weeks. Unless there is more I missed.

Sorry to edit but I forgot to throw this in. Looks like Audie also suffered with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

 

If the enlistment was for the duration, there was no need to extend it.

 

This thread has served it's pupose and I'm done dealing with your continued dishonesty.

 

I understand, facts are tough to dispute.... :BangHead:

Blackbird... Not sure what you edited but thanks!

 

The problem is that Wikipedia is not an exhaustive all inclusive historical account of Audie Murphy's life in the military.

You make the mistake of believing that because there is not an entry detailing his activities for a period of time then that means that he was on R&R.

Your logic here is flawed.

This exercise of yours is just plain silly.