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Discussion in 'Politics' started by righteousdude2, Jun 23, 2010.
Maybe the General was out-of-line with his comments, but, can't Barry take a joke ???:laugh:
No president has ever allowed this kind of talk - he can't. We can't allow the military to show blatant disrespect for the commander-in-chief. He took an oath to support him.
One can only imagine the frustration the general had to have felt with an incompetent administration that made him speak out.
That being said, his and Obama'a strategy is unnecessarily killing American troops. He needs to be fired.
But then, so does Obama.
Lets see if the American people have the will to take away his congressional support in November.
McChrystal is putting the good of the troops and the mission ahead of his career.
Exactly what did he say? Is there a link?
Does this now mean that our military is exempt from freedom of speech?
Nothing is served by setting an example of disrespect for your troops. They learn that they can cry about your own orders.
I tend to mostly agree with the general, but you just can't treat your commander-in-chief that way. He knows it, he would not tolerate those kinds of comments from his own men.
The general took an oath to support the commander-in-chief. If he cannot do that he needs to resign.
I like him, I like his record, but he blew it. He admits that he was wrong.
Here is a link
I feel the same way about Obama. If he can't keep his oath to uphold the US constitution, he needs to resign.
That may be, but it is not the topic at hand here, is it?
If you agree that a man who violates his oath needs to resign the general should do the right thing no matter what the president does. Correct?
Thanks for the link. I read it, and I don't see what the general did that calls for a resignation. His aide expressed disrespect for the president, and the general gave his opinion and a few names were used. Big deal. Do any of our leading politicians act any differently? I think not. Respect is due when it is earned, and Obama has NOT earned our military's respect, with good reason.
To me, this is like the pot calling the kettle black. Obama can use expletives and say anything about "the former administration" and totally disrespect our country to other foreign nations, but no one else is entitled to an opinion? Wow. This POTUS reminds me of a certain dictator more and more.
I said in another post that I thought the General's actions were calculated to purposely give his president an easy way out to release him and take the onus of the president for firing him without a cause.
I don't think he will fire him. He might accept his resignation but I have my doubts about that also.
In the military respect comes with the office, like it or not. Where do you get the notion that respect must be earned, especially in the military? That is certainly not a biblical principle.
It is nothing like referring to a previous president. I would suggest reading the link that caused all the trouble in Rolling Stone, but won't link it here.
If we allow disrespect in the military to go unchecked we are doomed. Can you imagine soldiers in combat saying, 'That captain is a jerk, I'm not going to obey him!'
The general is not a politician. He swore to support and defend not only the Constitution, but also his commander-in-chief. It is really pretty simple.
I agree that this is the most likely, and proper course of action. If he allows this kind of action to go unpunished he will indeed show his lack of leadership ability and it will weaken the military.
Obama has already been there - done that.
I agree, but that is not the issue here.
I did read the link you posted. I still don't see what the general did that was so wrong, unless he refused to obey a direct command. I read that his aide gave an opinion, and that the general used the term "clown" to describe Obama. That was not professional behavior, but I didn't see anything where he was refusing to obey orders.
When I say respect must be earned, I am talking about respect for the PERSON, not the POSITION. Of course we have to respect the position of authority by obeying those in authority over us. Respect for the person himself is a different matter.
Did you read the Rolling Stone article? It is pretty rough stuff.
Should the general allow his subordinates to call him a 'clown' without penalty? What will that do to our military? Like the president or not, his office as commander-in-chief must be respected. That is the entire issue here. If it is not than the military is doomed. The entire concept of a military is based on respect for your commanding officer.
I am surprised to see the support here for a foul mouthed general who himself voted for President Obama. Why is he getting such support?
That is exactly the false spin Limbaugh is putting on it. But Rush, being the subtle liar that he is, arrived at this position very cunningly. He started by saying that a general has a duty and that this is not right. But, when Limbaugh had finished his story, it ends up that Gen. McChrystal cannot stand by and see the troops used this way, so he sacrifices himself for the troops.
There is no end to what the right-wing will say or do to keep from showing President Obama in a good light.
Considering that McChrystal voted for Obama, what do you think that his motivation was for saying what he did?