Obamacare and Eugenics

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  1. OldRegular

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    My bold of Lady Eagles response which I take literally and start this thread.

    <edited to take that portion out at OP request - LE>
     
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    So what is the point and what do dispy's have to do with it?
     
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    And what is his point?
     
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    Dispeys are noted for their literal interpretation.
     
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    Obamacare needs additional discussion and I just wanted dispensationalists that I can take literally somethings I read. Probably should not have put it in the OP since most will not understand. Did it on a whim so would encourage Lady eagle to remove that statement if possible.
     
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    Back to the OP. The leftist/liberals have corrupted this country with the blood of 50 million unborn children since 1973. They are determined to institute euthanasia for the old and the infirm through the rationing of medical care. Once rationing is accepted then euthanizing certain groups will become "settled law", as they like to refer to Roe V Wade.

    Congress is out for a month. I would encourage everyone to attend any town hall meetings held by their congressmen and make their views known. Hopefully since this is a Christian forum all would be against Obamacare as it is currently planned.

    Frankly I would hope your opposition would be made known whether your representative is for or against. My fear is that the a few Republicans, who so far have presented a united front, will cave. The democrats need a few so they can tag the bill as bipartisan before passing such a drastic measure.
     
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    Just opinion, influenced by your dislike of any democrat.

    I actually agree. I know I will be contacting my U.S. Representative, but I believe he already supports this legislation. Unfortunately, my Senators will vote against it, but if all the democrats vote together it will pass.

    Well, since the bill is not finalized, it is difficult to know for certain, but I believe there will be more support for it than resistance against it. Christians all around the country are on both sides of this issue. If you don't believe me, this must be the only Christian forum you are a member of.
     
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    So you are conceding that democrat is synonymous with leftist.

    Difficult to believe that a Christian would support Euthanasia.
     
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    It is difficult to have a rational conversation with you since all you seem able to do is criticize anything democratic or anything that is connected with President Obama. It amazes me how far you take fiction to justify a political agenda you seem to equate with Christianity itself.
     
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    I just can't see cozying up to a baby killer and one who has his evil eye on me. Perhaps his science??? czar has decided that anyone over 65 is no longer human. However, democrats/ leftists/fascists/whatever have no such qualms!
     
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    I think you actually believe this hyperbole; where are you getting this stuff?
     
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    No argument from me here OR. This is a fact.

    I will however mention that the Liberals were in the WH for 12 of these years. I guess that makes the Republican's more guilty of not stopping the corruption since they had more years in the oval office.
     
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    He's getting it straight from the horse's own book, John Holdren. Obama's "science czar".

    Some critics have noted Holdren's penchant for making apocalyptic predictions that never come to pass, and categorizing all criticism of his alarmist views as not only wrong but dangerous. What none has yet noted is that Holdren is a globalist who has endorsed "surrender of sovereignty" to "a comprehensive Planetary Regime" that would control all the world's resources, direct global redistribution of wealth, oversee the "de-development" of the West, control a World Army and taxation regime, and enforce world population limits. He has castigated the United States as "the meanest of wealthy countries," written a justification of compulsory abortion for American women, advocated drastically lowering the U.S. standard of living, and left the door open to trying global warming "deniers" for crimes against humanity. Such is Barack Obama's idea of a clear-headed adviser on matters of scientific policy.


    He wrote a whole book outlining his "idea" for helping mankind. A blogger found the book read it and posted what he read online. CLICK HERE.


    Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

    The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

    These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

    • Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
    • The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
    • Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
    • People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
    • A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.


    < snip >

    Before you read any further...

    If you accept the self-evident veracity of these quotations, and are outraged enough already, then you can stop reading here. Very little new information is presented below.

    (And if you'd like to comment on this report, you can do so HERE at zomblog.)

    But if you still harbor doubts that the United States Science Czar could possibly harbor such views, and want more proof, then read on for longer and fuller citations, and full-page scans of the pages in the book, as well as photographs of the book itself. And if by chance you are a Holdren or Obama supporter, and want to falsely claim that I have taken Holdren's statements out of context, then you'd better stop reading here too, because if you go any further then you'll see that I have given full context for the quotes and conclusive evidence that they're Holdren's -- removing any basis by which you could have questioned this report.

    Full Article.

    That's where OR gets it from. :cool:
     
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    Thanks, poncho.
     
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    You're welcome.
     
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    LB you are smart enough, I think, to know that the president doesn't make law, the Congress does and the leftists controlled the House until. Only after Republicans took the Congress and the Presidency was any legislation passed to restrict abortions.
     
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    Why didn't they stop them when they had the votes?
     
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    Because those who really rule this country view abortion as a much needed tool of population control. Career politicians who dare buck the elite's system of control will not continue to be career politicians.

    Those politicians who wish to retain their lucrative government jobs and then go on to become lobbyists for the elite's conglomerated transnational corporations or retire in peace on some remote beach toe the line.

    That's why they didn't stop them when they had the votes.
     
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    IOW, they got your vote then sold you out...
     
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    "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Mr. Scott USS Enterprise

    In other words I used to think government was at the top of the power structure too but I've gotten wiser over the years. Government's are controlled by the central bankers * "and the corporations that grow up around them." This should now be evident to everyone who witnesed Hank Paulson's economic terrorism and the following bank bailouts.

    Note: * words in quotations marks were borrowed from Thomas Jefferson unless stated otherwise.
     

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