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  1. OldRegular

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    Senate democrats enact Obamacare2!

     
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    This is nothing less than a strong-arm tactic that violates the rights of the minority to be heard. True, the majority rules, but that doesn't mean the minority can't be heard, or exercise a check-and-balance restraint of the majority through established rules of the Senate -- which, until today, had stood for 226 years when Thomas Jefferson wrote them.

    The ramifications of this rule change are monumental, and threaten democracy to its core. I pray the American people awaken to what this is really about -- the permanent establishment of a liberal-socialist majority. It amounts to the beginning of dictatorship.
     
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    The only hope for this country is if the people kick enough democrats out of the Senate next year to give Republicans control. I believe that Harry Reid is a truly evil man. Obamacare was crafted in his offices by "who knows". Now this!
     
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    Why is everyone upset? We have one-party rule in this nation anyway. Republicans and Democrats are the same party in different clothes.
     
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    Not really.
     
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    No. Really. I am no longer a Republican. I changed my affiliation to Independent. The GOP is always one step behind the Democrats. Where the Democrats will jump in with both feet, Republicans will dip their toe in first. They give the illusion of resistance to the Progressives. The party machine tries to destroy every true conservative that rears its head. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee come to mind. I wouldn't trade a bag of hammers for the lot of them. At least I can find a use for the hammers.
     
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    So how many members of Congress does the Independent Party have?
     
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    Two issues have arisen in my own family as a result of Obama care.

    1) My wife is being denied a very expensive drug that helps her condition that could become critical to her life. The Walmart Pharmacy is complicit in this & so is Johnson & Johnson.

    2) Like a dummy, she logged onto this Cluster Mess Web site & put in what I consider highly classified & personal information. Almost immediately I started getting calls from all over the country by people with describable accents telling me a fictitious loan had been approved in my name & that all I would have to do is approve it by phone. What the heck is going on here....I didn't apply for a loan? Lastly my wife went back to the Er..... AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE WEBSITE & the information she put in has disappeared.....we don't exist to them. Oy Vey!!!!:BangHead:
     
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    The Dems need to install more pro-abortion judges to the courts and these same judges will stand up for Obamacare in case there are law suits. NOT GOOD. This isn't America anymore.
     
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    I think you are missing my point. I am not a member of the Independent Party. I am an independent. I am unaffiliated. I vote my conscience even if that means my candidate loses the election. Luther said, "To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." That applies to all of life IMHO.
     
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    Obamacare was written with the complicity of the Health Insurance Companies, a prime example of what Sarah Palin called crony capitalism which Obama practices so well. In fairness he is not the only one.
     
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    Yes but he is the President of The United States of America...the greatest country in the world. For him to represent this great country as a thief in the night is outrageous.....nothing fair about it. Have we become Sodom? Or are we Niniveh that corporately repents? Perhaps today I will put sackcloth on myself and my animals and pray for forgiveness because that is what we all need to do....pray for repentance.
     
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    More important...to go against God my brother because we cannot put our will against a Holy and righteous God...and we are doing it through corrupt government....and there will be a reckoning... unless we repent.
     
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    Reformed,

    From my combat experiences in the Army as a helicopter pilot, I learned a lesson that did not sit comfortably with me then, when I was not a Christian, and particularly does not sit comfortably with me today. I find it's truth, nonetheless, to be absolute: There comes a time when doing what is best -- be it for your friends, your unit, your command, your nation -- does not necessarily mean doing what is right.

    It is a difficult choice. It goes against our grain. And while going to the ballot box does not seem a particularly heroic thing, the people in this world who long to be able to do so would vehemently disagree. Voting for people who can't win does not solve the problems facing our country. It may make our conscience feel better, but it doesn't do squat to change the tide of evil that threatens us. For the good of the country, we must unite to rid ourselves of the corruption, the evil ideology, the false doctrines that have insinuated themselves into the fabric of our government and threaten our very freedom. To do that without taking up arms, we have to decide that we will accept the shortcomings of those who are most likely to accomplish these things through political action rather than open revolution. and vote for them when it is vital that we replace those who are deliberately attempting to undermine this nation's heritage, character and freedoms.

    I hold no illusions that the conservative ideologies expressed by most Republicans are based in truly democratic idealism, but are, rather, expedient for them to express so they will stand as an alternative to their opposition. Fine. Let them use their words to separate themselves fr0m the opposition. But once elected, they must be held accountable to uphold what they claim to stand for prior to the election.

    That is the problem with the current president. He has spoken nice, comforting words to his nation and his party, and has never had any intention whatsoever for them to be true words. His party doesn't know what to do with him, given they've sold out their allegiance for platitudes and unrealistic ideals, never suspecting he intended to fully undermine the very foundations upon which they themselves were elected -- those of freedom, liberty, prosperity, and happiness -- in order to destroy those foundations and establish another, one of socialistic repression and statism. We can't be equally idealistic by insisting on "voting our conscience" when doing so gives the victory to the evil that threatens to destroy America.

    If we do, we will find it necessary to take up the arms we are attempting to leave dormant and unused. I've taken up arms before. I prefer they remain silent.
     
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    You're wrong. The majority did not rule with the filibuster rule in place. The minority blocked the majority. The minority can still be heard. They just aren't in control any more. You call this unAmerican. The filibuster was outlawed in the House in 1842. It's part of the past.
     
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    The beauty of a Republic rather than a pure democracy is that in a democracy the majority exercises dictatorial control. The Senate was established as a buffer to the House which, standing for election every 2 years was more subject to the whims of the electorate. The Senate is supposed to be a deliberative body.

    Strange but the party that is always screaming about the rights of the minority runs roughshod over the minority party in the Senate. But the worm turns and I expect this to happen next November!
     
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    Perhaps you can explain why Reid, Biden, et al were against the "nuclear option" in 2005, when they weren't the majority in the Senate, citing the exact same arguments I have made here.

    Because it is.

    You're a "wikipedi-holic," obviously. It makes this claim. The fact is, the House never allowed members to filibuster, for the reasons I've cited elsewhere: The House is established as the "people's house" where one-man-one-vote is the rule of the day. It is to reflect the will of the people, and was envisioned by the founders as being able to respond quickly to public opinion. The Senate, on the other hand, is to be the cooler, calmer, more deliberative body, able to quell the desires of the majority to have its way in the heat of political debate. That is why Jefferson wrote the rules as he did.

    You to pretense at failing to understand that says more about your socialist-Marxist desires for this country -- as per your Great Pretender -- than it says about your intellect, because I'm sure you actually understand why the rules were established as they were. You, Reid, Biden, Shumer, and your ilk, hate the rules that prevent you from establishing socialist rule, and they will do anything to destroy the free enterprise capitalist democratic republic we've enjoyed up to now -- while mindless berserker followers such as yourself applaud.

    You will, ultimately fail. But the damage in the meantime will be monumental, perhaps irreparable.
     
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    Old Regular and I have been through this discussion for years, and he turns out to be right. This is my story. I had been a Republican all my life. I got to meet Richard Nixon and thought Reagan was the best. Then, starting in 1988, the downhill slide started. It was Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and so forth. I was so disgusted by the end of 2011 I switched to the Constitution Party. I was elected as a delegate to the National Convention in April 2012 as a delegate from Kentucky. There were suppose to be seven of us. Each had to pay our own way which was a chunk of change. The convention was in Nashville. I was the only Kentucky delegate that showed up. On top of that, the delegates that were there were more interested in party time than discussing and planning how to win elections and effect a change. I was so mad when it was time to go home, I went to the courthouse the next day and switched back to the Republican Party. And yes, I ended up voting for Romney with great regret.

    You are correct. The Republican Party is not what it used to be, and resembles the Democrats and liberal, big spending and tax leaders like McConnell and Speaker Bonehead. Slight as it is, there is a difference. And also, until the third parties get serious about their cause, we have a zero chance of changing the government. The only path is change within the Republican Party. Yes, McCain, Romney, Dole, Bush and Bush were pathetic. If President Kennedy had run against any of the five, he would have been to their right.

    We have two tasks, one is to win Congress, but the second task is to win Congress and get rid of the RINOs at the same time, like Mitch McConnell.
     
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    Amen.

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    The Republicans have about one more chance to change or cease to exist.
     

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