Obama's immigration policy, not violence, driving illegals to border

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    All along, the Obama administration has been claiming that violence in the children's (?? -- lots of old-looking kids on TV, too) home countries is what is driving their parents to send them north, the report proves that's a lie.

    Not that I'm surprised he's lying yet again. But this intentional "policy misperception" is, as Diaz-Balart said, going to cause a crisis of huge proportions. And Obama simply does not care. His personal political agenda is all that matters to him, and he doesn't care that the real children in this crisis are suffering, and he doesn't care that the "misperception" is allowing terrorists to freely enter the U.S. We'll be hearing from them later, I'm sure.
     
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    Who is lying? The President is NOT his administration. It seems some accuse the person of lying when it's an administrator's comments upon which they are commenting.

    Politics that have no idea what that man cares about.

    More assumptions based in political rhetoric.

    It's a shame that folks in the church continue to speak so negatively of this man. And most of the time it's about THEIR perceptions and not something he's done or said.
     
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    Obama wants to make the whole country look like Detroit anyway he can.
     
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    We put up the reasons we speak against him. Perhaps you are the one with the perception problem ?

    Anyway, admonishment rejected, as it has no truth, and only self-piety.
     
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    We do not have divine right of Presidents. God allows events but He does not always direct events. President Obama has lied to us and he has not apologized. Instead, Eric Holder has said that opposition to President Obama is racist. So now Democrats want to close our churches for being racist and for being against the divine right of Presidents and not believing that whatever is is right.

    As for the immigration invasion, it is clear that Obama and the President of Mexico are in cahoots on this. Our healthcare system, unable to take care of our own veterans, cannot handle the deadly diseases being brought into this country by these very sick children and adults, about whom the Democrats do not want us to know anything.
     
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    Where has that been done in this thread? Everything I'm reading is based upon what somebody thinks and not what has been said. That's my opinion. It's convenient to say he doesn't care because it supports a viewpoint against everything he does.

    But I just don't see how it is being truthful to say he doesn't care unless somebody has got some information they want to share where he makes it clear he says he doesn't care.

    The "administration" telling a lie simply doesn't equate to the President telling a lie.

    Perhaps. But my perception is seeing a lot of making this man into a scapegoat for any and everything, and often without cause.

    it's one thing to say you don't believe he cares. It's another to speak it as athough it's a verified fact.

    Biblical history is filled with folks who rejected righteous admonishment in favor of what they wanted to be the truth.

    Seems that you often reject admonishment because of your own self-piety.
     
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    The admin telling a lie does equate to the President telling a lie unles he comes out later and condemns it. The "administration" only does what they are directed to do by the President. If you do not know this then you do not know how the office works. Which is not suprising.
     
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    Folks said the same thing about Bush and Clinton and Daddy Bush and Reagan

    Perhaps some of it is from his POV.

    Again, nothing but a divisive machination of the devil. Ain't no Democrats trying to close no churches over anyone speaking against a President. If the enemy can keep the people of God pre-occupied with this silliness about politics and a President, why on earth would he "REALLY" try to close the church?

    Keep us busy enough about nothing and we will spend all our time fighting against folks who aren't the enemy instead of preaching the Gospel and spreading the Good News to combat the TRUE enemy.

    Perhaps we should just stop acting like we have to know everything. They are here. How about the people of God turn over a new leaf and become known internationally and throughout the world for their display of love...kindness...and charity instead of their tired politically laced responses of being against everything?

    How about the Church become the mouthpiece for why we should help these foreigners in a strange land instead of just being an extension of a political party's tongue?
     
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    How about "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

    How about "not even a smidgeon of corruption"?

    How about "The Keystone Pipeline would only create a couple thousand jobs"?

    How about "The NSA is not abusing it's power"?

    How about "I've said Benghazi was a terrorist attack from the beginning"?

    The study proves he's been lying about the need for those kids to leave their homes, too. It isn't because they face violence and death. It is because his explanation of the relaxed immigration policy actually encouraged them to leave their homes and come to the U.S. under the mistaken belief that the U.S. "has to" let them stay under a so-far non-existent amnesty program.
    As I'm certain you often said seven years ago, "He's the president. Ultimately it's his responsibility." That was about Bush, who was not incompetent or pushing a hidden sinister agenda. It is obvious from Obama's actions that the best interests of the U.S. are, by his definition, diametrically opposed not only to the majority of the American people, but to the traditions and principles upon which the U.S. was founded.
    Well, let's see. He made no effort to make any apprehensions in the Benghazi attacks until almost two years later, and then only when the IRS, VA and continuing scandal of Benghazi were too much on the front burner of the electorate's attention and he was forced to do something.

    He went to three Texas fund raisers and was at one point less than 200 miles from the border where there are thousands of suffering young men and women, boys and girls whom any other president would have visited with and assured that their conditions would be alleviated one way or another soon. But he was more interested in getting more liberals elected to office than he was in actually doing his job.

    And you have the audacity to think he cares? By what evidence?
    And it continues today. You are the primary example here.
    Admonishment from you who speak hypocritically is no admonishment anyone needs to accept.
     
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    Foolishness. Does your wife telling a lie equate to you telling a lie unless you come out and later condemn it? Does an employee of a company telling a lie equate to the owner of the company telling a lie if he doesn't come out later and condemn it?

    That's OBVIOUSLY the way you want it to be for the current administration. Wonder if it was that way in the past?

    And I know enough about how the office works to know that the buck stops with the President, but that administrations, just like people in the private workplace, often make comments that the President or the owner haven't directed them to make.
     
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    What study? The 219 out of 230 study? Has the administration said that there were no other factors accompanying the violence that could also be influencing the exodus?

    Where's the proof of this? The story in your link testifies to the violence being there but not being new. But if it IS there, how is it incorrect or a lie to say that those things aren't a factor in the exodus?

    Leave their homes for what? They are either trying to get away from violence, poverty or death that is often brought about due to poverty.


    Sure it is. And as I said about the healthcare debate, it's amazing that the folks in the church who are so high strung about this President and politics keep getting the exact opposite of what they want. As I believe was the case with the healthcare, the Church has refused , often because of greed and selfishness to not care for the poor. So perhaps God placed President Obama in office so that he'd push laws that forced the people in the church to do what they weren't doing.

    I see the same thing going on with immigration. That's why I believe the people in the church need to stop with all this angry political banter of sending folks back and grab on to this opportunity of Jesus sending people to us to be ministered.

    All that could be true. But at the end of the day, what does it do for the Kingdom of God to counter these things with political anger as opposed to battling them in the Spirit?

    Again nothing but political conjecture. President Bush flew over NEw Orleans after Hurrican Katrina and didn't land. Like President Obama, perhaps it was the wrong decision, but it doesn't mean that they didn't care.

    I don't know if he really cares or not. I do know that God continues to use him to force folks in the church to use their resources to do for the poor what the church was not doing.


    And as I said to the other, you don't have to accept it anymore than you accept it from God.

    That's been the trend. God attempts to admonish His people. His people become more and more stubborn over politics and dig their heels in. He goes ahead and gives His people more and more of what they don't want because it's clear, they have forgotten their first love.

    And thus as He has so many times in the past,, He continues today to use the most unlikely people to bring glory to Himself and His way even when His people won't.

    Yall aren't completely crazy. Yall have noticed too that the more that the folks in the church take a political stance instead of a CHRIST-LOVING stance, the more that you get exactly what you didn't want.

    Amazingly the very thing you don't want displays the love of Christ for the widowed and the poor and the orphans.
     
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    Obama does not care, he is a racist, and a liar who hates this country and what it stands for.
     
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    Its done all over the board.

    LOL. Bet you don't hold Crabtownboy to the same standard. Team Zero's policies state what he cares about, quite clearly.

    Uh, yes it does. It's HIS administration.


    And quite often, there IS cause.

    Based on his policies, who they have hurt, and what he's doing to fix them, I would say it is a fair assessment.

    History is also full of self-pious jerks.

    Blah blah blah. I reject yours, for sure, Zaac.
     
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    The administration has lied by saying the violence is new, and the cause of the exodus. That also is cited in the story. Which you probably did not read in it's entirety.
    For the reasons I just stated.
    Again, a lie. This time, yours. The study by EPIC proves they were relying on Obama's "relaxed enforcement" once they got here so they would not be sent back.
    Not relevant.
    In case you haven't noticed -- and there's no reason you shouldn't have, because I posted a thread on it -- we are. And the effort is being led by Glen Beck. No wonder you don't know about it. You hate a brother because of his politics, so you pay no attention to what he's doing.
    When the government contravenes God, the Christian is not responsible for obedience. God gave the responsibility of charitable giving to the poor to the individual and the church, not the government.
    What a dumb statement. Maybe you'd like me to post the videos of reports from at least three networks detailing his refusal to go to the border.
    Funny. I doubt you were that charitable toward Bush in 2005.
    Then in the realm of spiritual discernment, you're blind as a bat.
    The church has always given to the poor. The problem for the last 50 years is that the government has attempted to garner for itself a monopoly on "charity" by wrapping benevolence programs in so much red tape there is little they can actually do. If he really wanted to open up avenues for church involvement on behalf of the poor, homeless and addicted, he's cut all the red tape and let them do what Christ commanded us.
    Your knowledge of what I receive from God is woefully inadequate and uninformed for you to attempt to pass judgment. That isn't your job. So kindly cease usurpation of it.
    And you think you're innocent of all those accusations yourself? You who support an ungodly agenda putting the commands of God into the hands of government for execution? And then praise the government for usurping those commands and charging exorbitant taxes against the income and property of the people in order to accomplish it, claiming that the people are the ones who've abandoned those commands? This illustrates how truly deluded you really are. You need to repent.
     
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    Read the whole boring story. Where does the story say that the President or the administration says the violence is new? Do you have proof that the violence is not in part responsible for the exodus?

    Sounds like lies you're creating yourself to meet a political purpose. It's okay if you don't know if violence was a factor. Just say you don't know. All that, you just stated says, is that somebody asked some questions and we don't know what and they decided what a primary reason was. But didn't list what some of the other factors possibly were.


    Very relevant. Just not to someone who has a political agenda.


    So please tell me that you're not referring to Glen Beck, the Mormon, as the brother I supposedly hate? Rather off topic even for you. Why is a Mormon leading the call for the Church of Jesus Christ to act like Jesus? Amazing that even those lost and on the way to hell know how to treat people.

    FOOLISHNESS.


    And when the individuals in the church and the church shuck that responsibility because of whatever else, God will use whatever He chooses to bring glory to His name. Nobody has asked the church to go along with what the government is doing, but rather to shut up and DO it so that the government doesn't have to.



    And an even dumber reply.

    Why? You posting them ain't gonna make your conjecture anymore truthful.

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    Funny. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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    Man please. The Spirit doesn't spout the non-fruit of the Spirit that's rolling off your tongue. Everything you've said is about your fleshly response to what your fleshly eyes want to be the truth so that your fleshly appetite for partisan politics can be sated.


    Then keep giving and shut up about something being done to help the poor. And save the red tape sob stories. Benevolence programs ain't wrapped in anything but a lack of giving from unbenevolent folks who become more and more concerned about themselves rather than helping anyone who doesn't look or ac like them.


    A bunch of crock. That man ain't stopping you or any other Christian from doing what Christ commanded. It's just easier to complain about him being the hindrance when the hindrance is apathy and outright selfishness.



    Oh but I suppose it's your job to know what discernment I have?

    Where's my picture of the u-tube when I need it? Those words need to make it back to your ears.


    One big excuse as I haven't said I was innocent. And you're a liar for saying that I support anything unGodly.

    I don't praise governments. I praise Jesus for using governments to do what His people continue to selfishly not corporately do.

    As with Israel, God is only gonna beg us to do things for so long. If we continue to be stubborn, He'll do as He has and give us no choice.

    So keep beating your head against the wall and acting like you're more in love with partisan politics than you are with Christ. Some folks never learn.

    But as the people in the church continue to wickedly and unrepentantly worship at the feet of their politics and their political agendas, expect to get more and more of the very thing you don't want.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that God is all about love and compassion and taking care of those widows and orphans and the poor just as HE tasked the church to do. And if the church doesn't want to do it, the One Who owns the resources will continue to use anyone He wants to FORCE us to do what we should have voluntarily been doing.
     
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    I see the story has been updated today, and that apparently pushed the reference to the administration's citing of violence as the primary cause off the page. However, a more acceptable network to you also reported that fact yesterday.
    Obviously, the report disputes that as being the primary reason behind the exodus. And that renders the rest of your useless post moot.
     
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    You really should leave that thing alone.
     
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    We all should. I'm beginning to think it's a 'bot. There is no human reason present.
     
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    Only an angry political operative.
     
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    A clueless angry political operative. I hope the DNC pays him well.
     

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