Obama's values

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  1. steaver

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    True to our values?

    "The secret authorization of brutal interrogations is an outrageous betrayal of our core values, and a grave danger to our security. We must do whatever it takes to track down and capture or kill terrorists, but torture is not a part of the answer - it is a fundamental part of the problem with this administration's approach. Torture is how you create enemies, not how you defeat them. Torture is how you get bad information, not good intelligence. Torture is how you set back America's standing in the world, not how you strengthen it. It's time to tell the world that America rejects torture without exception or equivocation. It's time to stop telling the American people one thing in public while doing something else in the shadows. No more secret authorization of methods like simulated drowning. When I am president America will once again be the country that stands up to these deplorable tactics. When I am president we won't work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution, we will be straight with the American people and true to our values," said Obama.

    How many of us are feeling pretty good about President Obama’s passion for moral values and the rights of every human being regardless of whether they be a friend or foe?

    Torture is probably the one thing that makes most recoil with detest when we hear of it happening across this land and around the world. Well you would hope it should, but does it?

    President Obama seems very proud to take a stance against the torture of human beings. He finds the use of water boarding appalling, a procedure which causes the individual to believe he is drowning and being drowned, this must be a horrible feeling indeed. Obama said, “When I am president America will once again be the country that stands up to these deplorable tactics”. We will? Why does the President have no concern for the thousands of children being deplorably tortured to death in America each and every day? In fact, he has chosen to support it!

    Obama said, “It's time to stop telling the American people one thing in public while doing something else in the shadows.” On January 23, 2009, President Obama signed an executive order striking down a ban against using tax payer’s dollars to help women obtain abortions in this country and around the world. The signing was done late Friday at the end of the work week and no television coverage was permitted. I guess he does not see this as doing something in the shadows.

    Does President Obama and the American people understand that an abortion is a procedure that tortures to death a human being? This is scientific fact. It is not an emotional opinion. Anyone can do a little research and see just what takes place during an abortion procedure. Most will not, because just as the regular folks living in Germany during Hitler’s holocaust did not want to know the details, niether do most pro-choice supporters living in this day want to know the details of an abortion.

    Here are some scientific facts about abortion procedures. Anyone can look them up for oneself for they are not hard to find and they are the reality of abortions. For the sake of length, I will give a summary of each procedure. But feel free to look the procedures up and you will find the full details.

    Pregnancy is divided into three trimesters. The first trimester lasts through the 12th week. The second trimester begins at week 13 and continues through week 24. The third trimester is the remaining time until the baby is delivered. For each trimester specific methods of abortion are used.

    Within the first twelve weeks of pregnancy the baby is already a visible human being with legs, arms, hands and feet (check out web sites for actual photos). A blob of unformed cells is a myth perpetuated to dehumanize the situation. Most women do not discover they are pregnant until they are well into the first twelve weeks or even into their second trimester. Procedures used in the first trimester are vacuum aspiration and suction curettage. This procedure is basically using a vacuum machine to suck the child out of the uterus. A child this tiny can easily be torn to pieces and killed by the vacuum. A surgical instrument called a curette is used after the vacuum to scrape out the uterus of any body parts missed by the vacuum.

    Is this not deplorable torture? This reminds me of the footage of the Navy serviceman being sucked into the fighter jet’s engine. Using a large enough vacuum one could kill another fully grown human being by literally tearing them to pieces. The smaller the child, the less it takes to tear them apart unto death. President Obama, don’t you see this as deplorable torture?

    Some first trimester abortions are not accomplished using surgery, but by chemicals. This procedure begins when the mom is given either mifepristone (Mifeprex; RU486) or methotrexate. Mifepristone causes the baby to become detached from its mother's uterus while methotrexate is actually toxic to the baby and, therefore, kills it directly. Once the child is either detached or dead, the mom is given a labor-inducing drug which causes the uterus to cramp and expel her dead baby. This type of abortion only works up to about the 9th week of pregnancy.
    Would being given a toxic poison be considered deplorable torture?


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    ..................continued from page one............

    Second trimester abortions only get more horrific. The larger the child gets, the harder it is to tear the child apart until dead.

    The D&E (dilation and extraction) is the most common type of second trimester abortion. The abortionist begins the D&E procedure by rupturing the amniotic sac which contains the unborn child. He then begins the process of dismembering the baby and pulling it out of the uterus in pieces. To do this, the abortionist uses suction as well as surgical forceps which basically act like a pair of pliers. He inserts this instrument into the uterus and starts to open and close it until a part of the baby or placenta is grasped. That piece is torn off and is pulled out. This process is repeated until the abortionist feels that the procedure has been completed. Sometimes, the baby's skull is too large to pull out of the uterus, so the abortionist must first crush it with the forceps. The abortionist will know that the child's skull has been sufficiently collapsed when the baby's brains flow out of the uterus. Among abortionists this is called the "calvaria sign" and it signals that the skull will then be much easier to remove.

    If you have not been thoroughly sickened by the deplorable torture methods used to kill these babies in the first and second trimesters you will not likely be bothered by the horrors performed in third trimester abortions, let alone partial birth abortions. It only gets “deplorably” worse.

    President Obama speaks of moral values and deplorable torture. Does he understand what he is allowing to happen across this country with his support of abortion on demand? Does he really get it? Do American citizens get it? Abortion is the torturing to death of a tiny baby. Go online; look at the photos of the babies in their first and second trimesters. They are not blobs of cells! They are real people being torn apart to death while trapped in a cell with no escape.

    Before President Obama boast of his moral values and his appalling stance on the torturing of human beings he needs to actually study, learn and accept the fact that abortion is the torturing to death of a human being. It is what it is. Call it what it is.

    How can America allow such a holocaust to go on? Are we that ignorant or do we just choose to be? Are we just like Hitler’s Germany? Can someone out there give me one situation where you feel torturing an innocent baby to death by these horrific procedures is justified?

    “It's time to tell the world that America rejects torture without exception or equivocation. It's time to stop telling the American people one thing in public while doing something else in the shadows”, said Obama.

    Do you really believe this President Obama? This would be a great statement if only you truly lived it and declared it by the actions you take. Sadly, it turns out to be “just words, just speeches”.

    I pray God will move the hearts of men and women across this land and move the heart of President Obama. May President Obama repent and see this murdering of innocent children, adding them to his “without exception or equivocation” declarations. May our country’s eyes be opened that we may see these little one’s torturous death sentences and be called to repentance and action by God Himself.

    God Bless!

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    Thank you for posting this.

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    Wow, Steaver. that is incredible... awful, but incredible. I never thought about the parallels of torture, but that's so true.

    Did you write that?

    As LE said, thanks for posting it.
     
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    not true, he does not believe in the rights of unborn human beings, everythinghe says about his beleifs and torture are not true, all lies, he believes in torturing infants to death.
    This is his values.
     
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    If you want to see the holocaust and torture Obama actually supports go here:


    http://www.abortionno.org/


    Warning: video is graphic and heart convicting. Are you willing to be convicted?
     
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    Do you support torture of our enemies? This is against international law which you probably reject.
     
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    What enemy that falls under the Geneva convention has ever been tortured by the US?
     
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    Off topic... next.
     
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    You argue against torture of enemies, but allow it of unborn and partially born infants. (Which is what this topic is actually about.) the very fact you only defend it by statements like this proves where you stand. If you did not you'd never defend torturing infants. Which you just did.
     
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    Yes, I did write the article. I researched the web for abortion procedures and found numerious sites outlining the details. The undesputed descriptions I reitterated was taken from a site called "Death Camps" and can be found in their entirety there. I only posted a small portion of all of the many ways an abortionist goes about torturing the babies to death.

    God Bless!
     
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    I do not support the torture of anyone. Do you understand an abortion is the torturing to death of a small child?
     
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    Where are all of our anti-torture friends? :sleeping_2:
     
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    After quoting the post wherein a graphic description of an advance pregnacy is aborted, the following member, Just Christian responds with the following remark:

    Keep this up, you sound more and more like a pro-abortion apologist or sympathizer!

    For Shame!
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    Steaver, excellant post.
     
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    Every value so far as I remember, espoused by Obama, stands in contrast to my values.... I look at his Presidency as a judgment on our nation....
     
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    I have seen similar pictures of the after effects of abortion on the internet. Bookmarked them but they no longer exist. Frankly I could not watch this video, I have grown too old. It literally breaks my heart. First and foremost we have slaughtered 50 million babies. Second we are destroying our country. And our abortionist president and some on this forum have the unmitigated gall to talk about moral values. Perhaps one day they will be like those in Revelation when the 6th seal is opened:

    Revelation 6:12-17
    12. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    13. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    14. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    17. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
     
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    The topic is Obama's attitude towards torture isn't it? That's what was initially introduced.
     
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    No. Then you did not approve Bush's treatment of our enemies?
     
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    Are you telling us a fetus doesn't duffer during it's termination ?

    And yer hero, the zero, isn't ending rendition, as I showed earlier today. Isn't he just like Bush ? Or does his political party deflect any criticism ?
     
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    Let's face it, JC - you're just not gonna catch a break on the abortion issue.

    Let me ask you a hypothetical: Let's say Obama "sees the light" and reverses his position on rendition and torture, and says "absolutely no more"; but he keeps his position on abortion.

    What's the next step? Or is there a next step?
     

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