OK...I'm going back to the KJV

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  1. Purple Lady

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    Not to bore you all with a really long story, but I am going back to the KJV. I have a couple of questions, though...please be gentle... :flower:

    I was reading in the front of my NKJV and it says that there were several versions 1611, 1881, 1901, 1952... but it says that although King James vigorously approved it, "no act of parliment was ever passed approving it". So, are the other years ok, too? Are they copyrighted, too?

    :thumbs: And I would like some of your thoughts on a good study Bible.

    Thanks....
     
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    In KJ's day, the monarch's approval carried a lot more weight than it now does. And it was APPOINTED TO BE READ IN CHURCHES. Seeing as how KJ was totular head of the Anglican Church, this amounted to a royal edict.

    Queen Elizabeth 1 had given Christopher barker the title of printer to the Queen, & had given his exclusive lifetime rights to print the Bible in English. KJ extended that privilege to Chris's son Robert. The Barker family kept this Crown copyright a long time.

    Now, the KJV is copyrighted in England, by the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, as well as William Collins Sons & Co., Ltd, and Eyre & Spottiswoode. Again, these are permanent Crown copyrights & cannot be nollied nor transferred w/o permission of the copyright holder & the Crown.

    The USA honors the British copyrights up to a point, but the TEXT of any USA KJV edition is public domain here. However, almost every KJV edition has a copyright. However, you may examine those copyrights & find they are for the non-textual portions of the work, such as maps, glossaries, etc.

    Generally, faithful repro AV 1611s have no copyright upon anything but cover designs, etc. as the text & all the original extra-textual material from the translators is public domain in the USA. I would venture to say that there are no US copyrights of any kind upon the TEXT of any KJV edition made in the USA. But I'm not sure about older British editions made after the 1611.

    However, you can be assured that by getting a copyrighted edition that you're getting the GENUINE ARTICLE, that has not been altered in any way, a RELIABLE edition.

    I can't be of much help in study Bibles, as I own only one, Nave's Topical Bible, and I haven't looked at it too much. I would recommend that you get a repro AV 1611, as both its text and the translators' materials, such as "From The Translators To The Reader" are valuable study helps. After reading the AV 1611, just notice how much more you understand a later KJV edition !

    The Hendrickson Publishing's repro AV is available in many Wal-marts & Bible stores for about $18, depending on where you live for price/availability. And it's available online from many sources.
     
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    Wow thanks, that helps alot! :thumbs:
    I will do that...

    greatly appreciated!
     
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    Purple Lady,
    I saved some notes from Ed a while back concerning US published editions of the KJV. My copy is published by Holman and (per Ed) is based on the 1769 edition. That is determined by Ruth 3:15 ...and "she" went into the city. I am sure the editions by Holman, Zonderman and Nelson would certainly be trustworthy and "altered" to teach any false doctrine.
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    Those are references not to King James Bibles but revisions using different underlying Greek texts: the English Revised Version (1881), the American Standard Version (1901) and the Revised Standard Version (1952.) The ASV was further revised as the New American Standard Bible; the RSV has been further revised as the New RSV and the new English Standard Version.
     
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    I have the "Life Application Study Bible" in the KJV. I really like it. :)
     
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    Don't worry too much about the version of the KJV when you buy a study Bible. I would recommend 'The Open Bible' since it is, for the most part, theologically neutral and has great helps. It makes a good primary Bible, and you can obtain other books if you want to know how other people interpret the scriptures.

    Right now I am looking for a genuine leather version.
     
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    Christianbook.com shows a genuine TAN leather...
    and a couple of bonded leather in black.

    I am going to order the tan one.

    I have the Open Bible in the NKJV, so this will be an easy choice.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
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    In repro 1611 KJVs, would the letters and spellings be old engish or modern? I know I have seen posts here in various threads where the 1611 KJV is represented as having words such as "haue" for have (1 I can think of off the top of my head). I am just thinking that if that is the case it might not be the best for a primary bible.

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  10. Bro Tony

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    Dave, you are correct. While many have a copy of the 1611, most in here, even those who claim to be KJVO have and use a revision of the 1611.

    Bro Tony
     
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    That's why I recommend the repro AV 1611 as a STUDY TOOL.

    Having had the chance to handle a GENUINE AV 1611, I can say the Hendrickson Edition is an accurate replica, far as I can tell, the only change I can see being changing the print font from Gothic to Roman.(BTW, I've seen a genuine 1599 Geneva Bible, & it's in Roman font) However, I didn't have the chance to see all the minutiae of the genuine AV, so I must rely on the word of others that it's an entirely-accurate replica.

    While I doubt if anyone will accuse me of being KJVO, I am pleased to see the REAL KJV making a comeback.
     
  12. william s. correa

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    Good for you!

    Hasnt the NKJV only been around since 1979?and that weird symbol in the front pages looks pagan ? I met a Street preacher that had supposebly given everything up for preaching(Wife, Kids , Job, Home, and lived on the Streets) at the corners of big churches to preach to the people as they are going into the church! He would say that the preachers were all hipocrites by letting the church members doughters dress like "whores" and that every one that watches "James Bond " Was Wathching "Porn" I tried to listen to what he was trying to say and some of it made some sense but I noticed he had a NKJV; and asked him why he used that version? and he couldn't give me a straight answer; other than to ask me what version I used? So I said the KJB! and he told me that I had Made it my Phylacteri: Well I didnt judge him but noticed that he had some posters and one of them said "Be a Parent not a PIMP" and I asked him what all that meant and he said that most of the churches let unmodest dress occur in the church and it was causing men to stummble. Well I dont Know about all that but his final words to me was FEAR GOD! there is truth in what he was saying but not all of it was truth! and I beleive since he was preaching out of the nkjv he and his doctrine may have been not 100%! :Fish:My opinion!
     
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    You just cant help yourself can you William? You have to attack the Word of God. In another thread you quote Ruckman who is a rabid ignorant KJVOest and has been proven to be so, but no one said he was that way because of the KJV. He would be that way if he believed in the Koran. Brother you really need to stop and think before you post the statements like you did above. You have spoken out against God's Word and some day He will deal with your about it. My guess is you don't know the difference between the KJV and the NKJV nor understand even the revisions of the 1611. Better for you to just let God speak how He wants to and not you decide what is His Word.

    Bro Tony
     
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    Re: KJVI

    If the decision to go back to the KJV is yours, then go with it! If the decision is based on someone telling you the lie that other Bible versions beside the KJV are not the word of God, then run away screaming! :smilewinkgrin:

    As to a good study Bible, I am partial to the Ryrie Study Bible, the King James Study Bible and the Matthew Henry Study Bible. Just keep in mind that the notes found in the verious study Bibles are additions by men. These notes are not the word of God any more than the notes found in the original KJV are the word of God.
     
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    Okay, William, please show us one place in the NKJV where a different doctrine is preached. Just because someone uses the NKJV, you should not question their doctrines, man! Where you should question doctrine is when it is not taught by the Bible itself, or when it actually contradicts biblical doctrine. A good example of a doctrine that should definitely be questioned is the KJVO myth - this error is definitely not taught by an Bible version, including the AV1611.
     
  16. william s. correa

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    Where did I quote Peter Ruckman? I Dont Know what your talking about! The Assault is not from me its on the other hand and im just the messanger!:Fish:
     
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    Amen! To say, "No MVs!" :D
    No lies about MVs because MV defenders reject the truth what KJV defenders already told you.
     
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    Chick publications!

    [SIZE=-1]King James Version V/S [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]New King James Version[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]2 Corinthians 2:17[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"For we are not as many which corrupt the word of God "[/SIZE]"[SIZE=-1]peddling the word of God" (like the NIV, NASV and RSV)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Titus 3:10[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Reject a divisive man" (like the NIV)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1 Thessalonians 5:22[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Abstain from all appearance of evil."[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Abstain from every form of evil." (like the NAS, RSV and ASV)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Isaiah 66:5[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed." [This means that the LORD shall appear, which shall occur at the Second Coming of Christ.][/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at His word: "Your brethren who hated you, who cast you out for My name's sake, said, 'Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy.' But they shall be ashamed." (Like the NIV, NASV, RSV and ASV, the Second Coming is wholly omitted from this scripture.)[/SIZE]
     
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    Okay, you have shown us that the NKJV is not worded exactly as the KJV. But we already knew that, didn't we? I ask you again, show us one place in the NKJV where a different doctrine is preached. Words are not doctrine, Mr. Coirrea.

    Let me make this a little simpler for you. Does the NKJV teach us the creation story, the story of Israel's captivity and the wanderings in the wilderness? Let me give you a hint, Mr Correa - the answer is "yes." Does the NKJV teach us the plan of salvation and the atoning blood of Jesus Christ? Yes again, Mr. Correa. Does the NKJV teach the virgin birth of Jesus? His death, burial and resurrection? That He is coming again? Yes to all those, Mr. Correa. Now that we have eliminated some of the doctrines that the KJV and the NKJV have in common, Mr. Correa, then it should be much easier for you to find just one doctrine the NKJV teaches that is different than the doctrine taught by the KJV.
     
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    Okay, you have shown us that the NKJV is not worded exactly as the KJV. But we already knew that, didn't we? I ask you again, show us one place in the NKJV where a different doctrine is preached. Words are not doctrine, Mr. Correa.

    Let me make this a little simpler for you. Does the NKJV teach us the creation story, the story of Israel's captivity and the wanderings in the wilderness? Let me give you a hint, Mr Correa - the answer is "yes." Does the NKJV teach us the plan of salvation and the atoning blood of Jesus Christ? Yes again, Mr. Correa. Does the NKJV teach the virgin birth of Jesus? His death, burial and resurrection? That He is coming again? Yes to all those, Mr. Correa. Now that we have eliminated some of the doctrines that the KJV and the NKJV have in common, Mr. Correa, then it should be much easier for you to find just one doctrine the NKJV teaches that is different than the doctrine taught by the KJV.
     

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