After writing my original post I had a friend who is a former CIS/MP type review it for me... So, before you get too angry please read through to follow-up... Rocko9 posted this: Rumsfield was correct not Gen Pace. here's why... 1. Had any soldier physically interferred with the abuse they would have been charged with assault... Assault on a peer or superior officer is not covered under whistle blowing... Most interogators have real or assumed rank above Enlisted... Ask an MP if he has positional authority over Generals when enforcing Military Law... He does. Period. 2. A soldier can refuse an order they feel is unlawful. However, that doesn't relieve them of the requirement to respectfully inform their superiors. And, if the superior disagrees and reaffirms the order they must obey in time of war. In an environment of abuse do any of you really expect a mere enlisted person to physically interfer with someone handling a guard dog... No, Rumsfield was right... A soldier can only be expected to inform his chain of command. Failing results from that the soldier could then jump the chain of command... Of course they might be doing patrols immediately thereafter... I think Rumsfield's response showed a deeper and more compassionate understanding of Military life then this general did... But, that's Just one man's opinion... Mike Sr. Follow-up... The letter of the UMCJ (law) would make Gen Pace's comments correct by the letter of Military Law... Anyone seeing abuse is required by UCMJ to prevent such abuse and in some cases prevent it using deadly force... My friend believes that these reservists were not properly trained for the jobs they were given... (Prisoner guards) That they had conflicting chains of commands and the better troops were caught between the rock and the hard place. The ideal situation would have been for the observers to have gone to the Provost Marshall... But, I doubt that they were trained properly or that they were informed of their requirements, or that the Provost Marshall had an open door policy... As a former enlisted person I just now learned a great deal I didn't know about resources for whistle blowers... Having said all that... I think both parties were correct in what they said when viewed from the position they were stating it from... It is intersting to note that Pace didn't state how the enlisted people were supposed to try and stop it... Nor, did he mention how preoccupied the Chain of Command probably was outside of the immediate command was... And, how hard (if not dangerous) it would be to get in to see someone at that command level in a war zone... Also, please remember that "spooks" have a mystique about them... About people disappearing and never being seen again... Had I been there... I sure wouldn't have taken part... But, I probably would have been too scared for my own life to risk making waves... And, I doubt these reservists had any more training in those particular aspects of the UCMJ than I had... Is a civilian head of DOD supposed to know every detail of Military Law and Activity? I think not... One of the very reasons to have Civilian Oversight is to bring a Civilian Perspective to the mix... One that has a lot more compassion that the average military Brass does? Mike sr.