I agree with the premice that the elect can't be taken away from God. I disagree with how this concept is being applied. In all of my study I don't see where this doctrine is explicitly mentioned. I can see where someone may understand that this is what the scripture says, but if you look at the scriptures that is not what it is saying at all. What I am asking is where in the Bible (KJV or whatever) where the concept of a person declaring himself saved, and therefore that person is always saved. Where in the Bible does it say that the elect will know that they are the elect. As far as I have read, only God knows who these people are.