One last post on this subject to clear the air

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by William C, Apr 10, 2003.

  1. William C

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    Brethern,

    I don't blame Glenn for his response, I may have had the same reaction if I were in his shoes. All is forgiven.

    Now, please allow me to explain before you all start thowing stones [​IMG]

    There are two separate people who have my IP address. Me and my son share a Airport base station.

    My son, whom I converted to Calvinism some time ago was the first to find this board and invited me to join it but he didn't want anyone to know that we were related (this for reasons I really can't get into, you will just have to trust me).

    Through this process he became aware of my questioning and abandonment of Calvinism and he bowed out of the board for sometime out of confusion and maybe some disappointment (I don't know exactly). After much time and discussion he eventually wanted to come back on the board and get some answers of his own. I suggested to him to debate from another perspective (as I had done on other boards), so that is what he did under the name (Jimmy J.) According to the rules of this board he should not have done this and I shouldn't have encouraged it. For this we both are sincerely sorry.

    I believe he was seeking answers to the same questions I was continually asking which is why our posts are very similiar. Honestly, I was surprised at how well he debated at times and I appreciated the support he provided, though it was not requested. I think he was just having fun with me for the most part. (There was one occasion where I unintentionaly posted a new topic under Jimmy J.'s name--it was in all caps as is my trademark [​IMG] , some of you even seemed to notice this, but before I noticed my mistake it was too late. With my son's permission I answered a question in relation to that post and asked a couple of follow up questions under the name Jimmy J. in order to get some perspective on the post and to finish out what I started. I didn't answer my own threads or try to decieve anyone, I was just trying to undo my mistake of posting under the wrong name. The rest of the replies and posts were my sons doing, not mine.

    Until this morning Barnabas7, a moderator for the Baptist Board, contacted me through PM I was not aware of the third most recent account on my IP (Pastor J.R. Hampton). I confronted my son who confessed to having created the account without my knowledge so as to ask questions and make arguments without my being aware that it was him.

    I was a bit disappointed, but I can understand why he did what he did. He wanted to express his opinions with full anonimity, something everyone on this board can do except someone who shares an IP with a relative. I don't believe he was intending to mislead anyone except for me and I know that he now regrets doing it. He thought he was protected by the privacy policy that this board holds to, but apparently because of the rules and Glenn's reaction he was not. I certainly can understand that and in no way hold Glenn responsible, though I'm disappointed as to this outcome and wish it would have been handled through PMs.

    I can assure you that neither of us intended to hurt anyone, especially not Glenn during his time of grief. It hurts me deeply that he is even having to mess with this during his grieving period. For that my family sincerely seeks your forgiveness in this matter.

    My son (who is an adult now and can make his own decisions) has vowed to never get on this board again because he regets the pain and confusion he has caused.

    I know you have to take my word for all of this, but if I were seeking to decieve you I would just disappear. But, truth be told, I love this board and I love all of you. (yes, even Nick [​IMG] ) Pastor Larry can confirm that I have a son on this same IP address, apparently he has known that for sometime because of personal contact that they have had through PMs (I'm still not exactly sure what that is about and I'm painfully curious).

    This board provides an outlet for me that I value greatly and I consider you all dear brothers and sisters who sharpen me each day and I appreciate you all for that. I have learned so much through debating with you all, and I know from some PMs that some of you have been at least somewhat challenged by me as well. I would hate for that to end because of a unfortunate misunderstanding.

    Will you please forgive me and my family for any wrong doing and allow me to go back to debating the issues?

    The other accounts on my IP have been deleted by the moderators so there is no fear that any "deception" will continue and you all have my word that I alone will be the only one posting from this IP from now on. My son would sign on and apologize himself but as I said the other accounts that were used to protect his originally ID were deleted and if he were to sign in on his old ID he would reveal himself to those on this board who know him personally by that name and this could affect his work (so please don't ask or reveal anything in regard to this, for his sake, thank you.)

    {Just a side note: I am curious to how many others share IP addresses with other users in their homes. I'm sure with as many people who come in and out of this board there are husbands and wives and occasionally their children who share the same IP, is that wrong if they want to keep there relationship to themselves? I would also venture to guess that there are some who have retired (stop using) an account only to open another for a "fresh start", as my son apparently did. I have learned that it is against the rules to have two active accounts, but are moderators checking everyone on that? I'm just wondering because I suspect that is going on with others and I would like to know the moderators policy concerning such instances.}

    Thank you for your understanding in this matter. I'm curious to know how each of you feel about my continued participation on this board? If a majority of you would like for me to move on because of this wrong doing I will. It will pain me greatly because of the joy I have had over these months in discussing these issues, but I will honor your wishes. (except for Nick, his opinion on this matter doesn't count, we all know what he thinks about me. ;) )

    God bless you all.

    Brother Bill
     
  2. Baptist Believer

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    Oh! You can't be a bad guy if you use an Airport! :D

    Gotta love that Apple wireless networking. [​IMG]
     
  3. Frogman

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    To answer your first question my computer is used by my wife (Mrs.Frogman) and also by my children. They never visit the board. My wife rarely visits and on a couple of occassions before we got windows XP I mistakenly posted under my wife's id; however, immediately upon my recognition of this I edited the post and made it plain that I posted under her account.

    My eldest son made application to the BB, but was turned down, whether for his age (13), or because of the same IP address issue I do not know, I did not, nor did he question the decision of the BB any further, the best I remember, I may have sent an e-mail to the webmaster, but I never received an answer so I gave the BB webmaster this sovereignty and never questioned it.

    As to my wife's 'beleifs' we are in agreement, but were she to believe her personal study of the Bible led her to disagree with the 'Calvinist' position, this would be her decision; regardless of who here or anywhere is disappointed in her, including myself. I give to my children the same freedoms. One of which, our ten year old has experienced the Grace of God and has been saved and is now a member of our church by baptism, even he must read the word of God and not fall into the deception of letting man or men to deliver its meaning to him. This I am comfortable with because as you know I believe, God is sovereign in this as in all issues.

    As to whether I think you should continue on the BB, I think you should. I enjoy debating you; or where I don't at least reading your points. I do wish we each (myself also) were able to rise above the emotions of the flesh and engage in more scholarly, biblically based debates, but I don't know if the anonymity of this forum format will ever permit that to occur. It is too easy for our self-made and often necessary 'hedges' to strengthen and it seems that the impersonal nature involved in this interaction reinforces this.

    As far as the deception which occurred, I can only say the same thing could possibly occur from my home, I have two sons, 10 and 13 and a five year old daughter, each of which could log on here under my id. The difference would lay in the presentation and development of our arguments, further, that they would not be logging on under a different id, but would be making an appearance as myself (still deception), that would create a confusion if they presented an argument which was obviously different than my own, yet under my name.

    This is all I can say on this subject. I am not offended by this or any thing said or done on this board nor any other I am engaged in; the reason for this is that I accept the power of the impersonal nature of this type of communication, I appreciate this board and value the responses and debates from those in agreement with me as well as those in opposition.

    As always, if Frogman, or Bro. Dallas, who are the same people, has offended anyone, forgive me and know that I am bound in my grave-clothes and these are imperfect. Bro. Bill, I for one would not suggest your removal, voluntary or compulsory.

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas
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    If anyone has a problem with me, deal with it immediately, pm or not, this is what I believe is respectable. I have failed in this myself, but am in prayer that I will be better at this in future.
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  4. William C

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    Oh! You can't be a bad guy if you use an Airport! :D

    Gotta love that Apple wireless networking. [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Macs all the way baby!!! [​IMG]
     
  5. William C

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    Thank you Dallas.

    I agree with this. I wish I would not have entered this board under the circumstance that I did so that I wouldn't be bound to keep more personal information quite, but each person must deal with the situation that they are in the best way they know how. I'm sure I didn't handle this one as well as I should have.

    As for me and my son. We are very close and I'm not disappointed in him for any of his expressed opinions, Calvinistic or Arminian. He knows I love him quite unconditionally and I trust he feels the same about his old Pop. I led him to believe Calvinism and I have lead him to question it, but it is up to him (or maybe God [​IMG] ) to decide what he will believe, either way our relationship will always be strong, God willing. [​IMG]

    (I love ya bud.)
     
  6. Sherrie

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    Ok first off....I forgive you! How do I expect God to forgive me of the things I do, if I cannot forgive you.

    Now second of all....If me and my spouse use the same email address...we cannot be on this board? Is this the confusion? I am a little confused on this. I do not have a spouse, but I was thinking of letting my 16, and 14 year old join. But at my address. So that is a no-no?

    I thought it was Bill pretending to be several other people and still be himself. Please forgive me, for thinking wrong.

    But I am sllllllooooowwwww. Could someone please explain this to me in simple words?

    Sherrie


    Sherrie
     
  7. William C

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    I understand your confusion. You can only have one accout per email account. My son and I have seperate email accounts. And apparently he has more than one email account. I guess that is the way he did it, I'll have to ask him when he comes over next time.

    If you want you daughters to sign up they will need to register with there own email account and you probably should tell the webmaster and your moderators so that this kind of confusion doesn't come up because you have the same IP address (that just means the same home computer modem or "Internet Provider").

    I hope that helps. And thanks for your understanding.
     
  8. Sherrie

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    I can see the confusion. sorry Bill I judged you, and then I did it, without first hearing you out. Please forgive me.

    Sherrie
     
  9. William C

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    No reason to seek forgiveness from me, we broke the rules which lead to conclusions that are only natural, I would have done the same.

    It's all good. [​IMG]
     
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    :confused: ... Brother Bill and Sherrie... I'm just as confused as you are and too am looking for answers... I'm just a moderator and don't have the computer savy and lingo like others... I will let others clear it up and explain it in plain language... I'm lost and admit it :eek: ... Brother Glen [​IMG] & Sister Charlotte [​IMG]
     
  11. Yelsew

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    What Does this mean?

    The Score: Calvinists 0 - Non-Calvinists 0 [​IMG]
     
  12. William C

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    My son is the one with the computer savey. He has told me that he just signed in with different email addresses. The IP address can be the same but the email address must be different. So, its not against the rules to have multiple accounts if there are multiple people at one IP address as long as they have different email addresses. The rule was broken when one person had more than one account under different email addresses. I hope that makes more sense. [​IMG]
     
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    Brother Bill... Tell your son thank you for clearing that all up... Yelsew... The wind of anger blows out the lamp of intelligence... Nobody wins! [​IMG] Brother Glen [​IMG] & Sister Charlotte [​IMG]
     
  14. Yelsew

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    That was my point!
     
  15. tyndale1946

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    My point exactly!... Brother Glen [​IMG] & Sister Charlotte [​IMG]
     

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