One More Question on Obama

I'm not being harsh but honestly asking:

You honestly think that Dr. Emir Fethi Caner and Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner don't "scream" Islam?

So I guess it would be okay for Senator Obama to teach at a seminary with his name but not be another kind of national leader?

Also, would you ask an Oriental candidate to change their name given the possible Hindu or Buddhist linkage?
And, can you please supply a list of acceptable names for us to better know what are, in your estimation, acceptable Christian names?

 

nuts, double post...grrrrrrrrrrr...

 

"You, young lady, are the problem and not the solution,....."

Hmmm, where have I heard THAT before...anybody? Anybody at all?

Well, welcome to America, righteousdude. Home of the brave, land of the FREE.

love,

Sopranette

 

What ties does he have to his past life other than his name? Let's go one further. What in his past life shows a life without Jesus. Mind you, as you answer this know that ALL of us fall short, so I don't want a standard answer, I would like specific examples.

On this, we can agree. We are to turn from our old selves, but in the Bible, that never included a name change did it?

Then you have answered your own original post haven't you? Why do you obsess over it then?

Now which is it.. he is ok with his name or he isn't? Which side of the fence are you on again?

So which politican running for President stands your test? One can defend his claim of being a Christian. He said it, and that's all there should be. We can't judge someone's heart only God can. To think otherwise is foolish.

Do you ever sin? Any at all? Are you sinless now that you have found Christ? Wouldn't you want people to give you the benefit of the doubt on your life? Why is it so hard to do the same for Obama?

Agreed...

Again, which side of the fence are you on. You just said that his name didn't matter to you and now this? Which is it please?!? Also, you have failed to answer a previsous question. I will bold it for you so you won't miss it.

What was your name before you found Christ?

I can agree with you on this.. Look at my past posts and you will see I think all politicans are corrupt.

As you put it.. actions speak louder than words..

You speak of his tesimony.. What is his testimony? When was he saved? When did he find Christ? How has Christ shaped his world?

The Word also tells us to not judge someone. To reach out tot he lost. If you feel he is a lost soul then you should be reaching out to him and not throwing stones.. You did read that story in the Bible right?

Please give a list of these holes. Some of them I am sure we can agree on. Abortion being one.. Please name some more without pulling his name into it.

Jamie

 

Well hows that for calling the kettle black? It seems RD2 you are the only one who walks around with a stick where it doesn't belong whenever someone disagrees with your "questions". As ludicrous, ridiculous, and idotic your OP was I don't question your sincerity. Frankly that is sad in and of itself.

Oh, and how dare you address, Sopranette int he manner you have done? Talk about rude and unneccessary, not to mention holier than thou. What little opinion I did have for you is now gone, not that you care anyway. You sir are not the type of Christian to look up to and I certainly would NEVER EVER take any of your teaching seriously. Christians like you are what give the rest of us bad names, and you can take that to the bank.

This place just gets worse and worse....:BangHead: :BangHead: :tear: :tear:

 

Her comments were just and in line with this thread. Would I.B. Christian be a good name? :laugh:

This thread has long since past the point of going down hill. You asked a question and when given many responses that were fair, knowledgable and honest you and others choose to continue down the path of his name.

You have ignored questions that were asked of you concerning your name and want us to believe that you ask only "innocent" questions.

You must know that when you post a question in a debate forum there will be people that will disagree with you. I know you would like it if people like us would just not post, but when I see something I disagree with and a question was asked, I will answer.

Jamie

 

Are you really that dense? They are Arabic names NOT Muslim names! Sheeesh!!!!!!

 

Listen at you, accusing me of taking it to the extreme when you and others brought into the discussion Muslim beliefs and the masses. I responded that the masses have not stepped forward and condemned such actions taken by muslims of cutting our soldiers heads off. You still support them and don't know no more about them than I do.
Obama is running for my President. I do not live in Iraq, Iran or Saudia Arabia, I live in the freedom of the good ole USA, and I will question anyone who wants to be President, whether you like it or not. The articles written by him and others shows that he has had ties to Muslims. His father was a Muslim, His step father was a Muslim, He went to a Muslim school, his stepfather and maybe his father, not sure were given Muslim funerals, and you think I do not have a right to question his beliefs today and he is running for the President of the US. You speak as a foolish man, I have all the right as a free citizen of this country and to me, I could care less how you feel about me questioning Obama's beliefs. I guess you think if you question everyone who questions him, they will just go away. That is completely foolish on your part.

BBob,:BangHead:

 

ie I don't want to answer as it might make my question about Obama seem silly...

Really? Why did he have to ask you this question at least twice before you would answer it? Why would their names matter since you have posted in this thread "Obama can keep his name, that is no problem with me." Again, which is it? Can they keep their name or not?

Where does it say in the Bible (our rule book) that one has to change their name? Chapter and Verse please.

No, he is showing you that a name is just a name.

Me thinks you shouldn't ask questions if you don't want answers. He has been nothing but nice and honest with you asking questions that should help you reflect on your wanting Obama to change his name.

Questions asked to help one think through what they are asking aren't bad... Unless you don't like the answers you are telling yourself.. People are not going to go away.. Ask a question. expect an answer.

Jamie

 

Well as you seem to lay the "sins" of the father, or even the grandfather since the father was an atheist, on Obama. I will also hold you accountable for the sins of your father and grandfather, and pretty much all your kin. In my estimation that makes you even worse than Obama as you are a pastor, not a politician. Now who is being foolish?

 

That is where you are wrong. I lay the sins of no one on Obama. I simply question if he still has ties to that religion or not. It is a legitiment question of anyone who is running for President of the US. It is my right and I am using it.

Where did I post and accuse Obama of the sins of his father. The father was an atheist when he died, he had been a muslim. You are making accusations now that are untrue. So in your estimation I am worse than who and why, because I question if Obama still has ties to Muslims. I am glad to know your opinion, now I know where you are coming from. Get your facts right please.

Thank you,

BBob,

 

You stated this: " Please give me examples where all them good ones condemned such actions. Please"

Then such examples were given but you chose to ignore anything posted.

Of course you're right.. Not! There have been a number of muslims that have stepped up against all this violence.

Who said anything about supporting them? You're grasping at straws now..

We don't like or dislike your opinion, but you shouldn't think others are wrong just because they don't follow YOUR path.

Examples please....

Have you always been a Christian? How about your dad? Has he always been a Christian? People change. His father was NOT a muslim when Obama was born. State he was and it's a lie.

Don't we give our nonChristian children a Christian funeral? How is this different with his Father or GrandFather?

Also, are you defined by your parents? If your father was a murderer would you be one by assoication?

Now I am foolish.. hum.. please be sure to get this out of your system before bed. It's not good to go to bed angry.

You have every right to say whatever you want.. that doesn't 1, make it true and 2, make everyone have to believe in what you believe in.

Nobody has asked you to go anywhere, but if you think people will just sit here and let you guys trash someone for no reason, then you're wrong. Honesty and the Truth will prevail..

Again, please get this out of your system before bed. If you pray to the Lord before bed, go to him with a open and soft heart. Anger is such a bad thing.

Jamie

 

No, get your facts straight.... The man claims to be a Christian and has been a member of a Christian church for well over a decade. Prior to that he was NOT a Muslim. So, tell me why again you are questioning his sincerity? Do you really think he should honestly change his name to satisfy yours and others ludicrous fears? It is a name people!

 

I hope this answers all your questions.

BBob

 

I never said anything about him changing his name, so get your facts straight. You are falsely accusing me. I never met a politician yet who does not lie. Also, the Muslims have made statements they will destroy us from within. With people like you and the others watching the hen house, the fox will kill them all.

Again, please do not falsely accuse me. I would like very much for you to show the post where I said anything about him changing his name. Please

BBob,

 

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So which is it? And what name would you prefer? Amos or Andy perhaps?

 

What a demeaning tone to be spoken to with, even in typed words. RD2 should be ashamed.