One more thought on DEATH Panels...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by righteousdude2, Nov 29, 2013.

  1. righteousdude2

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    Currently, I pay more than $1,200.00 a month into my healthcare benefit, and have never paid less than $500.00 a month. I've been with this HMO for 42 years, and I've paid into it when I had no health issues, and even though I have several conditions today, I would think that all the money I've paid this HMO over the 42 years, I should NEVER have to worry about my care being cut off due to age or costs!

    It all should come out in the wash. I paid for others who needed that care when I was young and healthy, and never, NEVER blinked or cared. So, I can only hope those doing as I did years ago, feel like me.

    As for death panels, it is morally wrong for any group of men and women to decide under the clause of the IPAB to no longer pay for my care or your care. I think that to lay this at our feet is something that would be worth fighting for, even if it meant a civil war! And if I were going to die for lack of medical care [do to cost savings], I'd want to die with my boots on and a gun in my hand, for what is a moral right being turned against those of us who earned the right to not worry about such things when we grew older.

    The thought of this government doing this, is morally reprehensible! Now I'll admit that I once had concerns about such a thing happening, especially after watching Soilent Green. But, I came to the conclusion that mankind was not like what that movie portrayed them to be. I'd sure hate to think I gave mankind too much credit! :tear:
     
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    People are basically evil.
     
  3. Aaron

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    Where do you get this sense of entitlement?

    A breach of contract is morally wrong, yes. So is the idea that anyone else but yourself is responsible for your own care.
     
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    Seems to me it rather evens out between generations. The young complain about have to help pay for the elderly. So, why should the elderly have to pay for obstetrics? Because it is good for everyone to help everyone else when need is present!
     
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    Righteous, do you know how much you would pay a month under Obamacare? Just curious.
     
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    If all that money had gone into a "Health Savings Account" as some Republican Congressmen, and Dr. Ben Carson, are advocating there would be no worry. But then the reactionary-democrat party like that big IF!
     
  7. righteousdude2

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    I'll ignore your lack of understanding!

    I do not, and never have felt my insurance benefit is and ENTITLEMENT, sir! It is something I actively paid into for more than 42 years, and I expect this benefit to continue to provide me with the same quality of care I had when I was younger and healthier.

    If you sacrificed and paid into a retirement savings plan, bonds or 401K, or something similar for 40 years, and when you were finally at the point of collecting your benefits, does that make it an entitlement?

    If the company you were sending all that money to for years, decided to decline to give you what you were believing would be there when you retired and needed it most, because the government changed the rules, wouldn't you be upset?

    To state that I am expecting my insurance to be there for me as it was for generations of people before me, is not an entitlement! I pay faithfully into my HMO, and now they are cutting back on services and charging me more for those services. So, if they suddenly said you are too old and too unhealthy to care for, so go find a place to crawl into and die, I would be fighting mad! Just as I am over your calling what I expect and ENTITLEMENT.

    An entitlement is something we get for nothing. It isthat which is built into the government as a social safety net for the indigent of our society! I paid into, and still do pay into, the HMO, and it is not something being subsidized by welfare at taxpayers expense!
     
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    Great question CTB!

    Probably close to what I now pay, and it would have deductibles that this HMO does not have, plus the infamous donut hole in prescriptions! I have the Cadallac of HMOs, but I pay for that luxury.

    My other option will be to finally go to the VA for [prescriptions! Something I didn't want to do, but am eligible for!
     
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    If it isn't my responsibility, under the advise of my doctor -- and only my doctor -- then whose is it? It sure as heck ain't some faceless, nameless death panel going by the fancy name "Independent Payment Advisory Board."
     
  10. Aaron

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    All well and good except that the only thing you can expect from and insurance company or HMO is that for which you made a contract.

    Here's the reality, you agreed to pay so much a month for coverage for certain situations over a certain term. The fact you had no need to file a claim within that term is irrelevant. You were paying for coverage, and that's what you received.

    When the term agreed upon has expired, then that's that.

    Anything else is just your imagination.
     
  11. righteousdude2

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    Thanks for opening my eyes....

    ....to see that you are the beholder of a very active imagination! :laugh:
     

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