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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Gerhard Ebersoehn, Jan 25, 2015.
Is there a, ‘Bone-Day’ in the Holy Scriptures of Christiandom?
John Gill commentary on John 19:36
Now in this as in many other respects the paschal lamb was a type of Christ, whose bones were none of them to be broken, to show that his life was not taken away by men, but was laid down freely by himself; and also the unbroken strength of Christ under the weight of sin, the curse of the law, and wrath of God, and conflict with Satan, when he obtained eternal redemption for us: and also this was on account of his resurrection from the dead, which was to be in a few days; though had his bones been broken he could easily have restored them, but it was the will of God it should be otherwise. Moreover, as none of the bones of his natural body were to be broken, so none that are members of him in a spiritual sense, who are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, shall ever be lost.
What is it with you and this obsession with bone day?
You are obsessed with knowing your ignorance. I have the answer; you do not have one. I have peace in this knowledge; you are plagued with unrest in your lack of this knowledge --- my dear man. You do not know what you are missing. That's a pity.
From Misn. Pesachim, c. 7. sect. 10, 11,
: from the literal sense it may be learned, that a bone is not to be broken, whether in a pure or defiled passover: one that breaks a bone on the night of the fifteenth, or that breaks a bone in it within the day, or that breaks one after...
The Bone-Day of Our Passover Jesus Christ exposes the whole fraudulent system of Catholicism and deluded, obsessed, Protestantism.
But long before that, the Bone-Day of Our Passover Jesus Christ exposed “the God-given and therefore eschatological imperative whole and wholeness”[*] of the Passover of Yahweh, even of “Our Passover” the “Lamb of God”.
So, I'm guessing that your point is that Christ's sacrifice would have taken place on a different day (Thursday?) rather than what Christians have been observing (Good Friday) for 2,000 years? What you call 'Bone-Day'? The Passover lamb was to be a "male without defect," which is the same description given to Jesus. In addition, when the lamb was roasted and eaten, none of its bones were to be broken. But, what I have gathered from reading the articles on your website is that you don't believe Christ died on Friday and that you assemble on Saturday (Sabbath) to observe the Lord's Supper (paschal feast)? I'm asking because I am having trouble following the articles. However, in one of your articles the discussion that followed centered around Acts 2:42 'They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer'. In the discussion I noticed nobody questioned that the 'breaking of bread' was the Lord's Supper but the debate was over 'when' this should occur.
I'm asking because I don't want to misrepresent your position.
Why not post all that Gill wrote. It certainly makes more sense than the excerpt:
Uh, you do not and cannot know that about me. However, my observation of you is clear.
Thanks, Ol' Regular. You will agree many more expositors will tell you the same.
But never say or ask more than what they say. Specifically, Don't even think about THE DAY of this prophetic fulfillment.
For 2300 years the question has never been asked— where do you [that's me] come from to think you have the answer?!
THE BEST rebuttal I have received so far has been : <It does not exist.>
But I don't fear these mighty men of learning and integrity; not in their hordes do I fear any men!
Because it was in closest nexus of his Suffering of the Passover of Yahweh, that Jesus Christ EVERY MOMENT STEP BY STEP "ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" FULFILLED HIS "Bone-Day" : "THIS THAT VERY BONE-DAY WHOLE-DAY"
1) of his suffering in dying the death of death;
2) of his “passover” / “Gilgal” - “Roll-over” under the CLOUD of God’s PRESENCE in death’s sleep of peace and rest;
3) of his TRIUMPH “RAISED BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER”.
This is Jesus’ “Bone-Day”; this is what is denied with mocking and ridicule. This is the irrefutable TRUTH of the core reality of the Gospel of Jesus Christ “the SIGN of the prophet(s)”— the Suffering Servant of the Lord in Triumphal Procession from the Table to the Tabernacle of his Tomb “and His Name when being RESTED UP AGAIN: The Most Holy Place”. Isaiah 57:15.
I just did a Google search for "Bone-Day" and "Bone-Day Christianity" and the only hits I got were from Gerhard posting on this forum and on another forum in June of 2014. Neither place posits any real scripture detailing this "bone-day" nor what it means for us.
I shall do my best to go slow.
Therefore let us begin at the beginning ... IN THE SCRIPTURES!
Bone-Day [etsem yom] incidences
Bone-Day [etsem yom] incidences
…in Genesis …
“11 In THE SAME DAY [HADZEH YOM] all the fountains of the great deep were broken up … 13 in THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] entered Noah … into the ark.”
“…in the selfsame whole day bone day… [etsem yom] …as when in the days of Noah an ark was being prepared the longsuffering of God waited wherein souls through watery [grave] were saved … by the Resurrection of Christ… For Christ has once suffered for [our] sins that He might bring us to God, He being put to death in the flesh but quickened by the Spirit.” 1Peter 3:20,21,18.
“23 Abraham circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] as God had said unto him …7 I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy Seed [Christ]… 26 in THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] (stricken in age) Abraham was circumcised… And the LORD appeared unto him… pass not away from thy servant… wash your feet and rest yourself under the tree… Abraham fetched a calf… a young man hasted to dress it… And [the LORD] stood by them and they did eat. And [the LORD] said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and lo, (waxed old) Sarah thy wife shall have a son… at the appointed time I shall return.”
“20 God meant to bring to pass as it is THIS DAY to save much people alive. 21 Now fear ye not : I will nourish you and your little ones. And he comforted them and spake kindly to them. 24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I DIE : and God will surely visit you and bring you out of this land unto the land which He sware unto Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. 25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up from hence my BONES—26 SO JOSEPH DIED being an hundred and ten years old : and [having been buried in a grave] they embalmed him, and he was PUT IN A COFFIN in Egypt…”
The Book of Genesis ended with Joseph’s burial day and future care of his bones—fulfilled in the Book of Exodus.
Bone-Day [etsem yom] incidences
…in Exodus …
“17 Ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread for in THIS SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe THIS DAY… by an ordinance for ever
18 in the fourteenth day of the (First) Month (6 Israel shall kill the passover)... strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood and none of you shall go out of his house… 23 For the LORD will pass through to smite [with the plague] the Egyptians… The LORD will pass over and will not suffer the destroyer to come unto your houses to smite you.”
“41 Even THIS SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] it came to pass that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt—
42 it is a NIGHT to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt : THIS IS THAT NIGHT of the LORD… 43 THIS IS THE ORDINANCE OF THE PASSOVER…
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye BREAK / SEVER A BONE thereof.
8 they shall EAT the flesh in THAT NIGHT roast with FIRE… not
raw nor cooked with water but roast with FIRE; head with legs and with the purtenance thereof…
10 and that which remain the next day ye shall BURN WITH FIRE …
12 I will pass through THIS NIGHT … the PLAGUE shall not be upon you.”
“51 It came to pass THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] that the LORD did bring the children of Israel out…
13 God led the people about through the way of the wilderness of the Red Sea… and Moses took the BONES of Joseph with him for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my BONES away hence with you.”
The Book of Genesis ended with Joseph’s burial day and future care of his bones—fulfilled in the Book of Exodus.
Now Exodus ends with an apocalyptic vision of Christ’s bones and day of burial…
10 They saw the God of Israel: and under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone [having been] THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom] as it were the body of heaven in his clearness …
Exodus 14:5,4 THIS DAY [of ‘etsem yom’] came ye out in the month Abib… by Strength of Hand the LORD brought you out from this place (of death) where no Bread of Life shall be eaten.
The Book of Genesis as fulfilled in the passover in Exodus is seen further expanded upon and added to in Leviticus …
Bone-Day [etsem yom] incidences
…in Leviticus …
“21 Ye shall proclaim on THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY
BONE DAY [etsem yom] … as ye shall REAP … the corners of thy field… 10 When ye shall reap … ye shall BRING a sheaf of the firstfruits unto the priest and on the day after the sabbath [it rested over] the priest shall wave the sheaf before the LORD to be accepted for you 14 …the very selfsame Whole Day Bone Day [ad hadzeh etsem yom] that ye have brought an offering [of the passover lamb].
“14 The very selfsame Whole Day Bone Day” [ad hadzeh etsem yom] encompassed…
“9 The LORD spake unto Moses…
“5 In the fourteenth day is the LORD’S passover
First addition: “sabbath rest day”
“6 and on the FIFTEENTH DAY of the month is the FEAST…
“Seven days unleavened bread ye shall eat…
“7 In the first day is holy convocation…
“no servile work shall ye do.
“10 In it (is) a sabbath rest day [of the first sheaf]…
Second addition: “first sheaf of firstfruits”
“11 On the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it—the first sheaf.”
“Three days thick darkness” encompassed “the very selfsame
Whole Day Bone Day” [ad hadzeh etsem yom]” of the First Sheaf.
The First Sheaf rested over in the darkness of death and grave “on the sabbath that day great day sabbath”, “the fifteenth day of the First Month” and “sabbath in between” of the passover, the day between “the fourteenth day the very Bone-Day that ye brought an offering (of sacrifice) and reaped and brought your sheaf, and “the day after the sabbath” when “the Priest
wave(d) the First Sheaf”—
“on the sixteenth day of the First Month (when) they finished to cleanse the sanctuary”.
Third addition: “fifty days”
“From… the day after the sabbath”—“the sabbath day” after
“the selfsame bone-day” that the first sheaf was “reaped from the corners of thy field” and was “brought to the priest” to rest over “the sabbath day” before it would be “wave(d) on the day after the sabbath” … “from the day after the sabbath begin count” FIFTY DAYS to Shavuot / Pentecost!
“The LORD spake to Moses… 11 On the day after the sabbath the Priest shall wave the First Sheaf”—
“on the sixteenth day of the First Month they finished to cleanse the sanctuary.”
“15 Ye shall count from the day…” on which the LORD vanquished the darkness of the plague.
The LORD of the “three days thick darkness” of the plague, “on the third day”, “finished”.
“From the day after the (passover) sabbath, begin count!” It does not say begin count after the day after the sabbath; and it does not say begin count from the sabbath. The LORD commanded “count from / with / on the day after the sabbath.”
Fourth addition ‘Yom Kippur’
to “THIS THAT VERY SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom]” : Yom Kippur Day of Atonement Day of Judgment—mid-year’s Little Passover.
“46 That your generations may know that I made the children
of Israel to dwell in booths [for forty years after the passover of Yahweh] when I brought them out of the land of Egypt”…
“27 …on the tenth day of the Seventh Month
“28 …ye shall do no work in “THAT SAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom]
“29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be AFFLICTED IN THAT SAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom], he shall be cut off from among his people
“30 and whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in THAT SAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom], the same soul I will destroy.”
“THREE DAYS thick darkness” which in Exodus coincided on and converged in and merged with “THIS THE SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE DAY [etsem yom]”, “great day sabbath” of the passover of Yahweh and the “goings out” of Israel out of Egypt, in Leviticus coincided on and converged in and merged with “this the…” three times: “selfsame whole day BONE DAY [etsem yom]” on the one day and “shabbath shabbathon … Day of Affliction and Atonement”, of Yahweh who dwells “among his People”, the children of iasrael who now “tabernacled”, “in, the land the LORD had sworn”— so “that your generations may know that I-AM-THE-LORD your God and that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths WHEN I BROUGHT THEM OUT of the land of Egypt.”
Noteworthy is it that the fifteenth day of the First Month and the tenth day of the Seventh Month were both on the Sixth Day of the week, and that in both feasts “the day after the sabbath” of the feast, was “the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD”. In neither case “the day after the sabbath” of the feast, was on the First Day of the week.
Therefore, by counting the single-day pertaining to the tenth day of the Seventh Month thrice called “the selfsame whole day BONE DAY [etsem yom]” as incidences relating to the matter at hand, the Passover of Yahweh which was the first and main and original feast of Israel and the LORD of Israel from which all subsequent feasts evolved, the number of incidences of the use of the phrase ‘etsem yom’ applicable to the passover, stands at 9 out of 12, or, 75%. But taking into account the 3, 4, proleptic, anticipating and prospective instances of ‘etsem yom’ in Genesis 7, 17 and 50, the number of incidence of its use for “the selfsame whole day BONE DAY [etsem yom]” of the PASSOVER, is 12, 13 out of 12, 13 or 100%. Nevertheless <people who actually have functional facility with Hebrew tell you> it <does not>, and, <never, existed> and that <there is no such thing as ‘bone-day’>.
So; let us go on …
Later and Institutionalised instances of the use of ‘etsem yom’ …in Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua …
…in Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua …
The words “bone” – ‘etsem’ and “day” – ‘yom’ do not occur in a closed phrase in Numbers.
The most significant incidence in chapter 9:12 (Exodus 12:46) of ‘etsem’, “break / sever no bone of it” (John 19:36), bears upon a fourteenth day of the First Month though, postponed to the fourteenth day of the Second Month, but nevertheless “(kept) according to ALL the ordinances of the passover … on THAT DAY…”, “…THE DAY THAT the tabernacle (‘mishkan’ - place / rest-bed) —the tent (‘ohel’ - ‘covering’)—, was reared over the ark (‘aron’ - “coffin”) of the testimony.” 9:9,12; 7:89.
“Thou broughtest up this people IN THY MIGHT from among the Egyptians!” It was “the Whole-Day the Selfsame BONE-DAY” of the passover, that the tabernacle was first reared over the mercy seat over the ark of the testimony and the Cloud of the Presence of the LORD was upon and “as the appearance of FIRE” covered withal, verse 15.
Numbers 9 contains an absolute incidence of the Bone-Day of the passover, therefore. And so we have 14 out of 14 incidences of “Bone-Day” being the passover’s day of the Dead being Buried—100%!
In Numbers 19 there is the clear connection with the word ‘etsem’ - “BONE… One SLAIN…”, and “GRAVE”, verse 18.
In Numbers 24:8, “God brought Israel forth out of Egypt… He
shall break the BONES of his enemies and PIERCE them through with his arrows.” “Bones” and passover are together once again, even the day that they pierced the side of Jesus but broke no bone of his!
Virtually every incidence of ‘etsem’ - “bone”, and the dark day(s) of Israel when the LORD brought them out of Egypt, are of the essence, so much so that the final days in which Israel passed over out of the wilderness into the land the LORD had sworn to bring them into, are identical in Deuteronomy 32:48 and Joshua 5:11.
“The LORD spake unto Moses THE SELFSAME BONE-DAY (#15), saying, Get thee up into this mountain… and behold the land of Canaan… and DIE in the mount and be gathered unto thy people [that is, be BURIED]… So Moses died there and the LORD BURIED HIM.
“The LORD spake unto Joshua, My servant. Moses, is DEAD.
Now therefore arise, GVER this Jordan… Then Joshua commanded… PREPARE, for WITHIN THREE DAYS ye shall pass over this Jordan to GO IN to POSSESS the land… On THAT DAY, the LORD magnified Joshua… the Selfsame BONE-DAY (#16) (they) did eat unleavened cakes”. Joshua 5:11,12.
The people came up out of Jordan on the TENTH day of the First Month… and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the (First) Month… and in the selfsame BONE-DAY on the day after the passover did eat unleavened cakes.” Now the prophet Ezekiel calls “the tenth day of the First Month”, “the SELFSAME WHOLE DAY BONE-DAY”— “In the beginning of the year in the tenth day of the (First) Month… in the SELFSAME BONE-DAY (#17) the hand of the LORD was upon me.” Ezekiel 40:1.
The passover therefore had four days which were “BONE-DAY”, but most important was “the fourteenth day” as seen in the examples above. And in Joshua “after the passover on the fourteenth day of the (First) Month, the fifteenth day of the First Month—without saying—, was “the Selfsame BONE-DAY (they) did eat unleavened cakes”. Joshua 5:11,12.
So all “three days thick darkness” of the ninth and tenth plagues, plus “the tenth day of the First Month”, were “the Selfsame BONE-DAY” : BECAUSE OF BEING DAYS OF THE PASSOVER OF YAHWEH—17 out of 17 times.
So far in the Pentateuch all occurrences of the Hebrew phrase, ‘etsem-yom’—“Bone-Day”, were PASSOVER BURIAL DAY occurrences. Yet the learned say it does not exist. It does not exist?! It exists! It exists, 100% as the BURIAL-DAY of the passover of Yahweh, the fourteenth and fifteenth day(s) of the First Month most pertinently.
... and Jesus Christ never had anything to do with any of all this; and all this never had anything to do with Jesus Christ ... if we must believe those who say there is no such thing as Jesus' Bone-Day.
You keep saying that this phrase is there, yet you haven't really explained what it is supposed to mean and how it is supposed to be relevant to us today.
On the other web forum where you posted this, you made a fairly grand statement that rediscovering the Hebrew text will open up new understanding of the scripture:
No offense intended, but that statement seems to carry some sort of mysticism, almost like a Bible Code type intention. I'm pretty sure people have been going back to the Hebrew for a long time. This isn't the first time in history anyone has looked at the Hebrew text.
And you say the translation of the gospel will never be the same once you understand the meaning of Jesus's Bone Day. Yet you haven't explained it. You've merely shown it's occurrences in the Old Testament.
You touched upon many aspects. It cannot all be explained in one short sentence or paragraph or even book.
But before anything else, not for the first time in this very short discussion, come on, be honest and live up to Christian principle of trust and objectivity, and kindly let it be the last time that I must react to this kind of thing, <<<…that statement seems to carry some sort of mysticism, almost like a Bible Code type intention.>>>
I HAD NO IDEA that anything like the “Bone-Day” of the Passover of Yahweh existed or lurked somewhere hidden in the Scriptures. Not the faintest suspicion! Now for the shock: while all along it was lying open and dry on the surface like the bones in Ezekiel’s vision, WAITING for the Voice of God to come together and resurrect with sinews and flesh and body visible and real.
The “SUBSTANCE” of the “Bone-Day” is there in the Scriptures very much alive. What I have above quoted FROM THE WORD OF GOD, is what it IS: solidly is proving, namely, proving ITSELF!
Jesus’ Bone-Day is none of my or anyone in history’s dreams, wishes or imagination or arrogation. It is most substantial essence of God’s Truth you will find in the SCRIPTURES CONCERNING THE CHRIST HOW HE OUGHT TO SUFFER AND RESURRECT for the salvation of you and me!
Take Jesus’ Bone-Day out of the Old Testament, and remove the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the Old and, New Testaments. Which tells you it HAS BEEN OF THE ESSENCE OF THE GOSPEL in the Scriptures all along and despite its mysterious hiddenness ever since the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures.
When I was a youngster, I knew of two Violin Concertos of Nicolo Paganini. In the ‘World of Music’ published in 1957, these two concertos are listed. I still have one of—if not the—best ever performances of those two concertos (by Rigiero Rici). Even he had no idea four more concertos of Paganini lay hidden in obscurity waiting to be discovered.
Was it some dreamer or mystic who exposed their existence? No, it was a sober detective so to speak. A detective is a person who picks up ‘leads’ and ‘traces’ like a bloodhound, smell. But he has to be awake, that bloodhound. Or he has to be AWAKENED. He must be awakened to a peculiar smell by that smell HELD TO HIS NOSE, to follow it to its SOURCE.
So then, credit to the TRANSLATORS of the Scriptures who put me on the trail after the BONE of the “Bone-Day” of Jesus Christ “Our Passover” and “Lamb of God” in type “killed on the fourteenth day of the First Month”, returned to dust “the following day…on the fifteenth”, and “carried through” the Red Sea “into the Land the LORD sware to give” Him --- “the Kingdom of his dear Son”.
That was how you and I, received entrance into the Kingdom of God—through Jesus of Nazareth on Bone-Day in his grave “HEWN IN ROCK” in the “Bone-Day” of his Burial.
You know of another way? Of some trick to fool God with and bypass Jesus’ GRAVE “on Bone-Day”? You know of some ecstasy, some dope or potion to offer Him on a reed to intoxicate his senses and we under the influence of the same ourselves, could slip in unawares?
Well, I don’t.
Is this making any sense to anyone else?
I have no clue what you're conveying, but I'm gonna put a "whoa there" on you with this post...
Jesus stated, Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning me;
All scripture, Old and New Testament, has to do with Christ and Christ has to do with it. This bible we cherish is Jesus' autobiography penned by holy men of God who wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit....every word of it, in some way, points to Christ...