Paradox?

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  1. JSM17

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    Is this true, can all the years of debating be for nothing between the "Calvinst" and the "Arminian"? Could it be both in some respect? Maybe all the years of debating have led to this understanding?
     
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    Dr. Hammond of the Bluefield Union Mission has an interesting analogy.

    Its like standing on a set of railroad tracks. At your feet, the tracts are quite a distance apart, but as you look at a distance, eventually, the tracks come together.
     
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    Spurgeon speaks on this:

     
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    I think this statement has been posted on BB before (the one by MacArthur). I agree with it. Call it a paradox or a mystery; regardless, there is an element here that we cannot comprehend and cannot explain. However, I question whether this statement truly reflects the teaching of 5-point calvinism. If you read a writer like James White, I think you will find that he would not accept this explanation, but would regard it as watering down of true calvinism. For this reason, though Spurgeon and MacArthur claim to be calvinists, I think that they are not really true 5-pointers. They are calvinistic and teach a modified version of calvinism. At that point, I don't choose to use the self-decriptive terminology that they use though I don't really disagree with their position.
     
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    HP: I see that as a flat out misrepresentation of the beliefs of the Arminians. I have been associated with many from that perspective and have never found anyone of them in all my personal contacts or in anything I have ever read or in the hundreds of sermons I have heard preached in their circles, that would express or imply in any way such sentiments.


    HP: Hogwash. The problem is not that it cannot be resolved, but rather that as long as he remains hanging onto the false notions of Calvinism it is he that cannot resolves these notions. Dumping the absurd contradictions upon God that are the results of holding to the false principles of Calvinism is ludicrous. One can entertain many uncertainties in their theology but no one should allow clear absurd contradictions in their theology. Calvinism as taught by John MacArthur Jr.’s entertains clear absurdities. For instance. He tries to teach Lordship salvation, but if his Calvinistic idea of predestination is correct, either God predestines you to lordship or not, and your decisions cannot have the least to do with it. It is either predestined or it is not. Here again, I applaud him on trying to teach personal responsibility but he needs to realize that such teaching, while in the next breath teaching pure Calvinism, will continue to foment the maelstrom of confusion Calvinism invariably breeds.

    JMJr would do well to come to the reality that predestination is indeed a Scriptural concept, but that does not necessitate or support the false Calvinistic interpretation and meaning of the term.
     
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    antinomy, not paradox

    Both are true.
     
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    HP: And when he does he as confused as to the truth of this issue as any other Calvinist.
     

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