Parents encouraged to keep students home on 'Day of Silence'

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  1. Revmitchell

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  2. KenH

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    This has been an event since 1996. Why are right-wing Christians just now making an issue out of it - 12 years later? Perhaps to try to garner support for Senator McCain's presidential campaign since the Republicans won't have a bunch of anti-homosexual marriage ballot initatives to get their voters to the polls this November like they did in 2004.
     
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    Is everything a republican conspiracy with you? PLEASE step off your anti everything soap box!
     
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    Do you like cheese, because I hear a lot of whine in that post?

    BTW, what is wrong with Christians standing up for what is biblical?
    Just because you won't, don't throw stones at us that want to further GOD's kingdom... NOT BARACKS.... OR should I say "The Blessed ONE", you know the person Oprah called "The One"....

    OK, I'll go crawl in my hole now.:tonofbricks:
     
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    Really? I've never heard of it before!

    Maybe because my kids are way past school age!?

    Anyway this is a new one for me.
     
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    1) No.

    2) I am not on an anti-everything soap box. Therefore, I cannot comply with your request.
     
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    1) Yes, mild cheddar.

    2) Not a thing.

    3) I have done and will do so.

    4) I don't.
     
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    Where in the Bible does the Lord call conception life?

    Can something that is not living be killed?

    Ge 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    Man became a living soul when he breathed the breath of life.

    Mt 1:20 (KJV) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
    21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Notice in v20 the Angel says THAT which is conceived? Not the child or baby but THAT. Then says shall bring forth a son in v21. I don't see anything to indicate the son was the son before she brought him forth.

    I really wish I could find the biblical fervor and passion you all believe but I just don't see it...
     
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    Wow, I cannot believe I just read that, LeBuick. You are basing your whole viewpoint on a word (THAT) from a translation of the Bible - the very one that calls the Holy Spirit an IT.

    How could John the Baptist jump in his mother's womb if he was not a living being?

    Yes, the first man was alive when God breathed in him the breath of life. How can you equate that with a baby not being alive until it breathes? Psalm 139 tells us that we are special inside our mother's body.

    (...picking up my teeth from the floor...) :tear:
     
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    Naw, my view point is not based on one word. I believe one is born into life and not conceived into life. I can show you many places in the Bible where life appears to begin as one comes forth from the womb. This is why I can't get as passionate as other in the belief that anti-abortion is doing the will of God.

    sometimes I wished I could find something in the Bible that justifies that view cuz I really feel like an outcast at times when folks say I am not a Christian but I refuse to read something in to the Bible that is not there.

    Don't take my statement to mean I believe in abortion I just don't believe it's murder or anti-God etc...
     
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    If what you say is true, how do you explain John jumping in the womb? How do you explain David's statements in Psalm 139?
     
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    I am not trying to pick a fuss, LeBuick. I have been looking at a bunch of passages in the KJV, and I can somewhat see where you are coming from as it uses the phrase "brought forth from the womb" and "brought forth" alot.

    However, when I read the things about John the Baptist leaping, and this...

    Luke 1:15
    For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

    ...I just cant reconcile that human life is not sacred to God, even before it comes "forth" from the womb. Aldo, I know from personal experience, maybe b/c I am a woman, that my children were alive way before they could survive on their own.

    just what I been thinking about...
     
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    Ever see a person who has just died. They belch, defecate and yes move but we don't call them living. We explain it with statements like muscles relaxing.

    I know John jumped in the womb but I have trouble calling him living while in that state of subsistance. i still believe John like the rest of us was born into life. Jesus likewise said a man must be born again if he is to have eternal life. He didn't say conceived again, he said born. Nicodemus even had the Lord clarify by asking how can we do this? How do we get back in our mothers womb. Birth is a special word with God.

    Before anyone ask, I likewise don't call a person hooked to life support as the only means of breathing or "living" as being alive either. I believe life has left their body and the doctors are merely keeping flesh functioning. We didn't hook my father to life support and I have the same wishes in place. When the Lord calls me home I want them to have my funeral and move on with life. Let the dead stay with the dead cuz I'll be living in my new home on high.

    I have a different definition of life and you can't murder something that is not alive. That's all I'm saying. :1_grouphug:
     
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    I agree completely and will be the first to say the God is the only one who can give or take life away. Proof would be aborted children that live. I don't think life is something we have the ability to end or cut short etc... There is just more to the word "life" than that.
     
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    I do not understand at all how you can make the comparison of a person after they have died and an unborn child in their mother's womb. To me that does not work at all.

    So when a mother feels her unborn child moving in the womb that is no different in your mind as a dead body defecating and belching?? :tear:

    You are right, you have a different definition of life. And you have ever right to that view. IMO, it just does not agree with the Biblical definition of life as seen in Psalm 139, etc.

    Your definition, IMO, devalues life and also opens the door for a lot of evil things.
     
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    Let's look at this scientifically...
    What is the Scientific definition of life?
    How does a scientist know if something has life?
    If I can prove that a fetus has these qualities, it should be accepted that destroying a fetus, embryo, etc. is destroying life...

    Here are the Characteristics of life...
    As yourself, if an unborn baby has these:
    From http://www.essortment.com/all/characteristics_rbrc.htm

    Theme #1 - Cells
    All living things are composed of one or more cells. Different types of cells have different "jobs" within the organism. Each life form begins from one cell, which then will split. These cells split, and so on. After this has happened several times, differentiation is undergone, when the cells change so that they are not the same thing anymore. Then they are used to begin to put together the final organism, some cells, for example, as the eyes, some as the heart, etc. The only arguable exception to this is viruses. They are not composed of cells, but are said to be "living."

    Theme#2 - Organization
    Complex organization patterns are found in all living organisms. They arrange themselves on very small levels, grouping like things together. On larger levels, they become visible. This also has to do with differentiation, as the cells are organized in a manner that makes sense for the organism after they change to what they’ll be in the final organism.

    Theme#3 - Energy Use
    All organisms use energy. The sum of the chemical energy they use is called . This energy is used to carry out everything they do. Autotrophs (plants) use from the sun for photosynthesis, to make their own ‘food’ (glucose). Heterotrophs ( and humans) must ingest food for this purpose.

    Theme#4 - Homeostasis
    All organisms have stable internal conditions which must be maintained in order to remain alive. These include temperature, water content, heartbeat, and other such things. In a way, this has to do with energy use, because a certain level of energy must be kept within the body at all times. For this, obviously, humans must then ingest food on a regular basis. Not all conditions are for the body to maintain itself; though most are.

    Theme#5 - Growth
    All organisms grow and change. Cells divide to form new, identical cells. Differentiation happens, as well, when cells mutate into other types of cells, making a more complex organism. Organisms growing, changing, and becoming more complex is called development. Single-celled organisms do grow as well, but they will only become slightly larger – this is nearly unmeasurable.

    Theme#6 - Reproduction All organisms reproduce in order to continue the species' life. This is combining [FONT=verdana,sans-serif][FONT=verdana,sans-serif]genetic [/FONT][/FONT] (in sexual reproduction) or splitting into two organisms (in asexual reproduction) in order to create another of the same species. In [FONT=verdana,sans-serif][FONT=verdana,sans-serif]sexual [/FONT][/FONT], the new organism will have some characteristics from the mother, and some from father. It may look like either of them, or it may not. In asexual , the new organism is an exact copy of the first. Sometimes, not every member of a species is able to reproduce. As long as others are (which we know they can, if they still exist today) then it does not threaten the species. (Except for mules, but don't worry about them, they are a bizarre anomoly.)
     
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    I read your post and had to scroll back up to the beginning to see if I had somehow wandered away from the original topic where I had started.
    But no...
    REVMITCH said:
    A coalition of pro-family groups is calling on parents to keep their children home from school one day next month if their school observes a homosexual-sponsored initiative.

    I can´t figure out where you got confused.

    Getting back to the topic at hand.....

    If my kids were in public school, and I just became aware of this "day of silence" I would keep my kids home and make sure I got the word out as best as I could. Even if this did start 10-15-20 years ago, it is never too late to do the right thing.
     

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