Passion movie prompts man to admit murder

God set a certain order, and then He Himself follows it. Can He go outside that order He has given? Yes, but He does not, thats why He is God and we aren't. God gave a specfic way of reaching lost,(as you say through the preaching of the word), and then demonstrates that to us in scripture, this is how He chooses to to do it. </font>[/QUOTE]Was Jesus preaching when the thief was saved?
Was Paul and Silas preaching when the Jailor was saved?
I've seen people saved even though they never heard a preacher.
What constitutes preaching anyway?
Do you have to be in a Pulpit?
Do you have to be slobbering?
Do you have to be yelling?
Do you have to be jumping up and down?
Do you have to be ordained?
Do you have to be licensed?
Do you have to be in sermon mode to win someone to Christ?

No,no,no and no.

A person can be saved by hearing or reading the Gospel.

Therefore, if there is enough Gospel in The Passion then a person can get saved from seeing it. It is a form of witnessing. And you, I or Mel don't have to be preachers to win someone to Christ.
What if someone heard a preacher years ago, but refused to believe, then went to the movie and decided that what they heard was the truth.

Christ is using this movie, even with all it's faults. Just as Christ uses us with all our faults. He uses other versions even though they have faults. He even used an ass. Why can't he use Mel?

God has never limited himself to the spoken word of a Preacher. That is just so pompous. Or should I say Popeish.

When we place preachers on a pedestal and say that only preachers can save souls, we are wrong.
Christ saves souls and he does it however he chooses. It's his perogative

 

Dear Brother, are you a spiritual regenerationist?

Not a bad way to go if you are, I am not opposed to it, not like the average missionary Baptist is, who stands firmly on gospel regeneration only.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God

I personally believe that the only reason anyone hears the gospel and believes it is because of a previous 'spiritual regeneration' (John 3.8; 1 Thess. 2.13-14).

Shh, though, don't tell anyone around here I told you that

Ok, Ok, Ok, but do you have to use Mel, variant readings and the 'a' word in the same paragraph?
Brother Dallas

 

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone, I simply meant balaam's donkey. And if he can use an animal, surely he can use a RC.

Frogman what is the difference between a spiritual and gospel regenerationist?

I didn't know there was a difference.
To me being Born again is just simply regeneration.

both the Spirit and the Gospel is involved.

Obviously someone must hear the Gospel, (or read it) then the Spirit uses the Gospel to bring conviction and regeneration.

Is that what you mean?

 

Agree TinyTim! God used a small tree more than once. He used a big fish. He used a coin in a fishes mouth. He used a burning bush. He used a talking donkey. He's used angels and dreams. God has a lot of 'object lessons' since we're pretty dense people. If God can use all of the above, why can't He use a Catholic and a movie?

Diane

 

I don't think you offended anyone, I was teasing you in that last question

A gospel regenerationist believes exactly like you said, that the preaching of the gospel is used as instrumentality in the regeneration of the lost. Many go further and claim this regeneration is impossible if folks don't hear the preached word.

A Spiritual Regenerationist believe the Holy Spirit immediately acts upon the elect (apart from any outside agent) to regenerate (quicken) that individual and that the preached Gospel, when this person hears it (which may be the next hour after regeneration or maybe twenty years later, or may never happen) awakens the regenerated child of God to the need of repentance and belief of the truth.

I believe as you have stated that all regeneration (whether strictly gospel or spiritual) is only effectual by the presence of the Holy Spirit alone.

I believe that the Spirit can certainly immediately operate upon elect individuals but that by this quickening they have a longing for the news of the gospel.

Personally, I see this in the 'conversion' of Cornelius, the Macedonian Call and Christ telling Paul he had much people in this place (paraphraed for any lurking KJVO folks).

I am not comfortable with supposing that the mentally invalid and infants are simply covered in a 'blanket' fashion by the shed blood of Christ, that the members of these groups must be born again (regenerated) imho, is a Bibilical fact, if they die in that condition (developmentally).

To imagine upon scripture a mysterious age of accountability imho, denies the original sin, the sin nature at birth, etc. And I believe the quickening of any infant dying in infancy is required just like any adult.

Does that help explain what I mean? Hope so.


BTW,

Your quote above is the primary difference in Primitive Baptists and most other Baptists especially missionary Baptists.

I think that the acceptance of this film, proves in a sense (because of all the error mixed with the supposed message of the gospel found with in its images) the position of the Primitive Baptist brethren.

Maybe just my opinion, but I have had more than one of them ask me to define the 'gospel' that is preached and used by the Spirit to quicken those dead in trespasses and sins. then when I have done that find the place that preaches strictly that gospel, there is the only place that the lost can be quickened.

There are so many versions of what the preached gospel includes or excludes. Then this movie comes along and almost everyone who is strictly gospel regenerationist is applauding its effective instrumentality in the quickening of man's dead spirit.

But, how many of us will agree with the Primitive Baptist in this?

Go figure
Bro. Dallas

 

I find nowhere in the article where he says he was saved unless you believe in working for your redemption. So is salvations by works now voiding out the Word of God which says, "Not by works, lest any man should boast..."

Joseph Botwinick