Pastor compensation

How would you take into account that the church may be the hard workers and not the pastor?

A bad pastor is worth a negative amount. He does much more damage than good.

Not those I know. If you see that then get an effective one who will work hard too.

If he is lazy, he is worthless.

How do you measure the worth of a pastor who followed a pastor that may have labored hard and he did not see much until the pastor who followed the hard working pastor?

From what you have wrote indicates that church planters should be paid the most. Church plants grow a far greater percentage than megachurches and it is hard work.

 

I think pastors that put in 80 hours per week desperately need to re-prioritize and work more realistic hours.

(fully understand short-term, intense demands...but it you're consistently working 80+ hours per week...time to slow down!)

Anyhoo, back to the topic.

 

When one considers how few actually give, it is no excusae to say they cannot afford a pastor, especially when you look at their personal toys, and entertainment, and compare that to their sacrifices and how much they pay in interest.

 

The articles I have read show that those who make disciples put in less time at church and more at home then those who do everything alone.

If a man puts in 80 hours on the job as a pastor then take a guess how much of that time is spent in prayer and study along with time with his family.

 

Well said.

 

I agree with the statement that if a church cannot afford a full-time pastor, let the church do some sacrificing. Don't expect the pastor to be the sacrificial lamb.

Another scenario is when a church is in a financial bind and decides to reduce the pastor's salary to alleviate a deficit in spending. How riduculous is that? Again, why should the pastor be the sacrifical lamb? In most cases the deficit could be divided among the families in the church, and they could increase their giving by that amount. If not, they are asking the pastor to give up...say...$200 per week while they do nothing more that what they have been doing, giving-wise. It would be a lot more logical to spread the $200 among 20 or more families than to take it away from the pastor. IMHO

 

Sure Ann, I agree. But the problem today is not that we too many people who are doing everything right and having little results. Those are the exceptions. The problem today is that we have far too many preachers doing all the wrong things, some of which work very hard doing all the wrong things- and they have no results- because they are doing all the wrong things.

That is the problem of our age in the pastoral ministry- activity without productivity.

 

That has always been a problem. However I think there is an even deeper problem of not trusting God for everything. Too many think they must work hard and be mules who do not reproduce. I cannot think of any church that was united in prayer that did not grow. I am not talking about easy believeism prayer of lip service where the prayers are nothing more than words that only echoed off the walls and ceiling but where they are earnestly seeking God.