Pastor endorses McCain from pulpit

And such as it should be titnytim. If people take these messages to heart then endorsements of candidates in the church is not a nesseccity.

 

Not in His Church he can't... Just ask him. :laugh: :wavey:

 

:laugh: You got that right LeBuick and that may be part of the problem that some Pastors have when they feel like it is their Church.

 

Seriously I preached a sermon back in 2000 in one of my previous churches on the evils of Abortion... and the results of abortion (besides a dead baby)... like emotional and spiritual problems with the mother and father... how it affects the community, and how we as Christians should do anything it takes to stop it. Like volunteering our time at a pregnancy crisis shelter, etc...

After service a very outspoken lady and powerful lady in the church came up to me, and told me I shouldn't have preached that "political" message...


She even brought it up at my yearly evaluation~!

But this was the same woman that was always requesting prayers for their PAC that was lobbying congress over environmental issues...
And they (her and her husband) were very outspoken in the community over environmental issues... so much so, that they start were known to start arguments in community meetings...


10 months later, I was resigning from this church...

They now have 8 people going to this church...
We had it up in the 50s while I was there.

 

So very true Petra.....teach the folks the basic truths of the Bible and they can figure out for themselves which candidate most closely aligns his platform with God's Word.

AJ

 

What really sad, though they are down to 8 Satan shows up every Sunday and sits in her favorite seat.

We just buried the loud mouth rebellious lady we had at our Church God rest her soul. I sure hope He has better luck with her than I did... :thumbs:

I can see her in heaven now complaining about the gates being open and the lights too bright and on all the time... She'd sit in the winter with her coat on asking the deacons to turn up the heat. Then got up in the business meeting and said she didn't see why our light bill was so high.

 

Churches cannot lose theor tax exempt status as a result of this. They can however lose their 5013c status. The churches tax exempt status is not dependent on the 5013c letter. In the end the removal of this letter is insignificant.

http://www.pastormarkmitchell.org/?p=32

 

That's good to know Rev... Thanks...

 

:thumbs: :type:

 

It's good to know, but what church has the funds to hire lawyers to fight lawsuits?

I would like to know why Jeremiah Wright and his replacement are free to preach their hate messages and why mosques are allowed to preach their hate messages without interference from the IRS, but Christian churches aren't allowed the same freedom? Seems like a case of discrimination and anti-Christian bias to me.

 

Why fight any lawsuit? The appellate court has already made this clear. All that is needed if in fact a lawsuit arises is to cite the case that I mentioned in my article. What churches do not need to do is be intimidated by threats of lawsuits. The only reason the church mentioned in my article even got the attention of the IRS is because they took out an ad in a major newspaper supporting a candidate (Clinton).

Barry Lynn has never once been successful in any claim against any preacher or church. In most cases churches run scared prior to a law suit. There is no need and churches need to stand up to Barry Lynn and send his godless rear end packing.

 

I think the govt. needs to stay out of the pulpits, regardless of what they preach.

 

I'm with you Rev, Gods army can't and should not be intimidated into altering its belief's, views or message. The victory is ours if we just endure the storm. I have said on may occasions if our tax status is changed we will continue to march on. We are owned by God and not the Government so whom do we answer first.

Your article is assurance from on High that God is still on the Throne and he is an Able God...

LE... I do agree about how some religions hear from the IRS and others (to include Wright) are part of the untouchables.

 

Wow! I agree with KenH.

 

The way the letter from Jefferson was written, it would be wrong for the gov't to tell the church which candidate to endorse.

Nothing wrong with this, at all.

 

Be careful. Your reputation among some folks in this forum just took a major hit. :laugh:

 

And so do I. Ken may be a democrat, but he does exhibit profound intelligence, at times....LOL:laugh: :laugh:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/28/AR2008092802365_pf.html


Is this the same event that CNN is reporting?

"The Rev. Ron Johnson Jr. told worshipers that the Democratic presidential nominee's positions on abortion and gay partnerships exist "in direct opposition to God's truth as He has revealed it in the Scriptures." Johnson showed slides contrasting the candidates' views but stopped short of endorsing Obama's Republican opponent."

"Johnson and 32 other pastors across the country set out Sunday to break the rules, hoping to generate a legal battle that will prompt federal courts to throw out a 54-year-old ban on political endorsements by tax-exempt houses of worship."

AMEN.

The government shouldn't interfere with a church's endorsement of a candidate, nor should it prevent a church from endorsing one.

Oh, I have to add more...

Then give me my tax-dollars back that go to support public schools, abortion, the homosexual agenda, et.

I am surprised at this ignorance. If you don't like the political rhetoric of your church...leave.

It's a civil rights issue to these barbarians? Perhaps for themselves, but they seem to have ignored the unborn life they are murdering. If Obama is a committed Christian than I am an atheist.

RB








RB

 

A pastor friend did not make an endorsement. He just preached for 45 minutes and correctly labelled every social issue position of the Democrats as "a lie from the pits of hell."

In 2004, our pastor did not make an endorsement--he just had me preach on Sunday PM before the election. I spoke on Jeremiah 2:9-13 on "Some Things That Hold No Water."... , and the sermon, quite coincidentally, referred to most of John Kerry's ideas as "abominations from the pits of Hell."

But we did not endorse a candidate. I did say that anyone who voted for a pro-choice politician should repent in dust and ashes. But we did not endorse a candidate.

 

Major B, let me ask you this.

I see from your posts that you are a history buff as well as a christian. So, maybe you can shed some light on this.

I beleive that the original intent of the writers of the constitution was to keep the state out of our churches, period. In England, the state ran the church and even collected tithes from it.

Was it ever their intent to stop churches from having a voice in government? Or to not teach biblical doctrine? Or even to not promote candidates that support biblical doctrine? Isnt every sector of our society entitled to support or promote the candidate that best represents them?

On the flip side, now christians are using the argument of "seperation of church and state" to condone supporting candidates that are directly opposed to biblical doctrine. They claim that "we are electing a president, not a pastor". Since when do christians have the liberty to seperate thier biblical principles from secular ones, and then use the Bible to justify it.

And as far as the tax exempt status.....since the church doesnt operate for profit, then why should they pay taxes anyway? Why does the teaching of biblical principle as it concerns government even matter? No one is getting paid to vote for or support a candidate. The members of a church go there of their own accord, noone forces them. Since it is a private organization that doesnt operate for profit, why does the government even have a right to dictate what is said and taught?

I believe that the intent of the constitution has been twisted and warped to the advantage of the secular progressives....and sadly, there are christians that support this.

Also, if left wing organizations like moveon.org can run ads in newspapers promoting thier beliefs, then why cant a religious organization? After all, the left wing organizations deem religious organizations as a direct foe.......seems to me that we should get equal time.

What are your thoughts on this?

AJ