Paul Washer

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Another man I appreciate. He understands Lordship theology very well and his books are theological rich with the gospel. He has only written three and I have two of his books but they are deep.... Mailed a book of his to a non cal Pastor once. If you appreciate Paul Washer please post. His sermons are sometimes very harsh but he speaks the truth.
     
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    My husband and I frequently listen to Paul Washer. He may be a punch in the gut but its a good kind because it forces you to look at your life, see some areas that need work and work on them.
    Before we got married we listen to a bunch of sermons on marriage and gender roles and really appreciated what he had to say on those issues.
     
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    I appreciate Paul Washer's ministry. I find his preaching hard on my ears, and heavy on my toes, because he has a way of rooting out my sin. Paul Washer's preaching is not well received by the Therapeutic Deism crowd.
     
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    That is true. The thereputic crowd can be quite outspoken about anyone that steps on their toes and dares to point out that what they believe is not what the Bible presents.
     
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    He's an arrogant judgmental Calvinist that revels in telling people they aren't saved because they "came forward" or "prayed a prayer". Yet he tells a story where someone was saved by his encouragement for this person to read John 3:16 over and over again. That sounds a lot like works to me!
     
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    If you are trusting "going forward" or "praying a prayer" for salvation then your trust is not in Christ is it?
    Telling someone to read to Word is a work but going forward or praying a prayer is not?
    Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
    I would encourage anyone to read the Bible any day of the week and if that is considered works so be it.
     
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    No, it's not. But if you go forward BECAUSE you've trusted in Christ, that's not a work, is it?

    They are basically the same thing.

    Washer wanted this person to read John 3:16 over and over and over.

    I said, “Sir, read John 3:16 again.”He said, “We have read this a million times.”I said, “I know, but it is one of the greatest promises of salvation. Read that text again.” And I will never forget. He had my Bible on his lap in those big mountainous hands of his and he said, “Ok.” He said, “For God so loved the world, that He gave…I’m saved.I’m saved. Brother Paul, all my sins are gone. I have eternal… I’m saved.
     
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    Nobody does that.
     
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    I've never understood those who don't believe that prayer and public acknowledgement of Christ can be a part of one's salvation experience.

    I "came forward" and "said a prayer" when I was saved. The prayer didn't save me and the walk down the aisle didn't save me. God saved me. As clear as a bell. Should I have NOT walked down an aisle and NOT said a prayer?

    There are all kinds of arenas where people are saved. God uses all kinds of circumstances both public and private.

    I've been on the BB since 2002 and to my recollection, never said anything when people condemn prayers that accompany salvation or the walk down an aisle.

    I guess I just would like to know what is so damnable about it.
     
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    Yeah they do. I've lost track of the number of people I've talked to that will tell me they are saved because they walked forward, raised their hand, signed a card, prayer the sinners prayer etc. Yet say nothing about the work of Christ on the cross even when you dig for it.
     
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    Of course. Yet if you go ask those people why did Jesus die on the cross the most likely say to pay the price for our sin and save us. Some people communicate things in terms of what they did rather than the core belief. So as I said no one does that. You are assigning motive that cannot be supported. This is nothing more than simple demonization of a different view rather than a true representation of what people actually do.

    Calvinists do not like "decisional" salvation so they work to place it in the worst possible light.
     
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    Amen and amen!
     
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    Did you not see the last part, they don't talk about Jesus and His work on the cross even if I DIG for it. I have asked what about Christ and I'll get He loves me, or even he wants me to be good, but not he paid my price on the cross.
    It always comes back to what THEY did not what Christ did and there in is the problem.
     
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    Yep....:BangHead::BangHead:

     
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    Actually - you'd be surprised. I've heard numerous times where people are obviously not living like a Christian, do not even believe the Bible, believe that there are many was to God and yet when you ask them how do they know they are going to heaven, they tell you that they raised a hand and prayed a prayer when they were 10 and so now they are saved. It doesn't matter that they never once trusted in Christ! It's so weird!
     
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    We've just seen that the "raise your hand and say this prayer" has led to false converts in the past. Now we have them speak to the pastor or elder or leader after the service and we can be clear as to what they are doing. As I mentioned in the previous post, we've seen people think they are saved because they raised their hand, said a prayer or walked the aisle.
     
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    Revmitchell.

    Maybe because it is not what scripture teaches.:wavey::wavey:
     
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    My good neighbor, was not a church going person.

    Not long after marriage, his wife said, "We need to go to church."

    So, he dressed up and went.

    His wife prodded him to walk down the isle at the end of the sermon and join.

    So, he did.

    NOBODY ask if he was saved, came to know the Lord, except, "Have you been Baptized?"

    He joined, was baptised, and remained lost.

    He could talk the talk, quote the Bible, went out on visitation and had results, even became a deacon, but he remained lost.

    One morning, the WORD got hold of him, and he came to understand the difference between accepting and belief.

    MANY kids are encouraged to "join the church" and in one church I was attending, the hallmark was that all 12 year olds would get baptized at the end of vacation bible school each year.

    So, it does happen.

    A wise pastor (which you do seem to be) will ask questions, search for the fruits of belief, and not just put chalk marks up of how many were baptized at the local association meetings each month.
     
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    That does happen. I wasn't in a church, but I prayed and asked Christ in my heart and was saved. I am sure many people have. Do we discount the bad for all the good that has and does happen?
    I do agree, however, (and it is the practice of our church also) that we have such people talk to a pastor or someone else after the service so that we can be sure they understand clearly the gospel.

    Concerning the gospel and Paul Washer, here is what he has to say:
    According to him I wouldn't be saved, and what I did is "the greatest heresy in the American...church." He is wrong. Scriptures like Rom.10:9,10 and John 1:12 are scriptures which back up why he is wrong.

    Furthermore he goes on to say:
    If salvation is by faith and faith alone in Christ, then it is not preceded before and after by repentance. It is followed by repentance. Repentance is a form of works. We can see that in his sermon. He believes "works" and not faith only is necessary for salvation.

    Now consider this scenario:
    In an assurance of salvation situation, we point back to the place where the person first made a decision for Christ and start from there.
    He attacks their salvation instead. The scripture he uses is out of context.

    Consider it:
    2Co 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
    2Co 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
    2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you,
    --In verse 3 Paul is referring to false teachers who were demanding proof of Paul that he was an Apostle.
    Verse 4--Paul repeats some of the things he had already explained in the chapter (Christ is strong; he was weak; he lived by the power of God; (2Cor.12:10).
    Verse 5--to these false teachers he says: "Examine yourselves whether ye be in the faith." This is not directed to the new Christian, the Christian without an assurance of salvation, "the doubting Thomas," etc. It is directed to false teachers.

    Then he continues:
    --Derogatorily he terms "calling on the name of the Lord" or asking Jesus into one's heart, a magic formula, which many of us know better.
    He uses the direct expression "repented of your sins" which is not biblical at all. IMO, that would be a heresy. No one can repent of their sins, much less remember all their sins to repent of them. Nowhere does the Bible use the expression that one must "repent of their sins" to be saved. He is off base here and this is the crux of a works based salvation.
    Then, he says you repented of your sins and you believed, and not only did you do that in the past, you continue to do it even until now.
    --That also is a wrong view of salvation. Salvation is an event not a process. He is mixing up salvation with sanctification.

    He denies the doctrine taught in 1Cor.3:1-5, and never attempts to explain that passage.

    Basically this is entire sanctification. God will not allow your flesh to sin.
    That is heresy. Read 1John 1:8,10.

    These quotes were taken from:
    https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/a-shocking-biblical-sermon-paul-washer/
    pages 1-10

    Those are my thoughts. Thanks for listening.
     

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