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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    I don't see what's non-flattering about that picture, it is her portrait shot.

    Oh yeah, and you guys & girls know I was kidding in the first post. I thought the accusation was ignorant, and I shouldn't have answered with ignorance. Sorry.
     
  2. bobbyd

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    I have to agree, i figured it was just a typical publicity shot.
     
  3. Martin

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    ==That is her standard type picture. Have you been to her website lately? The picture I chose is ten times better than the glammer shots on there. As for portraying White in a negative light, what is "ungodly" about that when it is the truth. Paula White preaches false doctrine, she is a false teacher, and she is leading people astray. Is that painting her in a negative light? No, that is just telling the truth.




    ==Really? Well I think your statement is total non-sense. I don't hate women and I don't want women to fail. What I do want is to expose false teachers so men AND WOMEN can avoid being mislead by a pusher of false doctrine.
     
  4. mcdirector

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    Well! As a woman (and Martin's friend) I can attest that he's very supportive of and helpful to women.

    YOUTUBECANBESAVED, you need to read a bit more before you start confronting others.

    I think Cutter may have nailed this one on the noggin.
     
  5. YOUTUBECANBESAVED

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    I don't think so if you read the post their is no mercy for her and what she is going through (divorce) its attack and post unflattering picture. Christians should be praying for their reconciliation instead we get this puffed up fundamentalism.
    She is successful she has reached 100.000 of thousands while Martin barely does anything but pontificate which he has a right to do but who will have more treasure only God will know but I feel she loves the Lord and your fandom of Cutter has to deal with someone who represented a person n Nazi regalia ,did you think about that then he dumped his uniform because he was caught red handed. Like I said this site has become extreme and hold on to doctrine much more strongly than mercy and prayer for others.

    Ms. White has done more for the Kingdom of God than Martin would ever hope to do but Gods grace if he shows mercy then he might receive it.
     
  6. mcdirector

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    How do you know in 13 or 14 posts that this site has become extreme? that seems a bit extreme in itself . . .
     
  7. Cutter

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    When it talks like a kid, writes like a kid, and reasons like a kid, it must be a kid.
    Either in years or spiritual maturity.
    Go learn what that means and come back in few years. The Lord will have mercy!
     
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    You are a fan of cutter??? if you are such a close friend then why not hold him accontable about portraying nazism on this site,instead you make cold calculated excuse and try to blame me. I have been here a while and have seen this site seems to be going to extremist with hatred and not mercy of those who are going through hard times, i see it has puffed up coldness like anteseptic math equasians that have no heart and compassion and those who marry older men who have man issues and marry their father, those who have migranes who probably need a healing hand from a humble charasmatic who looks at them in compassion. Paula White is being attacked and on youtube they had to halt comments because of all the hate for this woman who would look at you in love and mercy and through Jesus Christ heal you.

    am I judging you or am I discerning something??? HS

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXWnQ_UOhds
     
  9. mcdirector

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    Have you actually read my posts?
     
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    Mine did but lucky for me she's against divorce so I get to stay around.
     
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    Of course we must pray for anyone going through divorce. But it is not "puffed up fundamentalism" to say that divorce, the so-called prosperity gospel, and women pastors, are wrong according to the bible.

    I'm assuming you know both Paula White and Martin very well, to be able to say that she "... is successful she has reached 100.000 of thousands while Martin barely does anything but pontificate", and later, "Ms. White has done more for the Kingdom of God than Martin would ever hope to do." But even assuming you do know them both well enough to be able to make such statements, I would have to question what Paula White has reached those many thousands with. Her web site does not seem to include a section on what she believes, but she does ask people to make "Atonement Offerings", with links "For you best atonement offering today, click here" and "With your atonement offering of 60$ or more, click here." That is an outright denial of the biblical teaching that Jesus Christ, and He alone, is the only One Who can reconcile sinners, or make atonement for them.
     
  12. Martin

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    ==I pray for her salvation (that she is saved and if not that she will be) and that she might repent of using the ministry for personal gain. In her case, her divorce is sad and tragic but it is only one of several major problems.

    I can have sympathy for those who get divorced. My parents divorced and both remarried, so I know what it is like. So I can and do have sympathy for the White's in that respect. However we must note (1) their materialistic lifestyle (huge homes, private jet, Trump apartment, etc), (2) that this is not the first divorce for either party.


    ==Since you have never talked to much, and don't know me at all, I am amazed that you know so much about me. If I passed you on the street, you would not know me. Fact is, you don't know anything about me or my life. So don't comment on things you don't know anything about.

    Who will have more rewards? I don't know. If Paula White is truly saved, which I think is questionable, I can't say what rewards she will/will not have. However I will say that her teachings are false and dangerous. I have heard sermon after sermon from this lady and, while she is a great public speaker, I have never heard her preach a Bible based message. Her messages are almost always materialistic, as is her lifestyle, and emotion driven.

    ==You "feel"? So what? Who cares what any of us "feels". Truth is not determine by anyone's feelings. Truth is determined by the Word of God, that and that alone is the measure God has given us to determine truth. Our feelings are untrustworthy, maybe the most untrustworthy thing about us. Paula White's ministry/teachings must be judged by the Word of God. Not by how much money she has, how good of a speaker she is, how many people attend her meetings, how many people buy her books and watch her on tv. Her ministry must be judged by the Word of God. On that basis I can say that she is a false teacher. The prosperity "gospel" (the name it and claim it idea teaching) is unBiblical and dangerous. No person who teaches that set of doctrines should be considered orthodox.


    ==Without correct doctrine all the mercy and prayer in the universe will do you no good. What good is mercy and prayer doing those who are in doctrinal error? None! What good does it do a person in error if their error is not exposed to them and, in the case of a popular teacher, to those who are following them? None! The truth sometimes offends and causes people to walk away (Jn 6:66). However that is just the nature of the truth.

    ==Paula White uses the ministry for personal gain. Just think about the good she could have done with the money she spends on herself (private jet, Trump apartment, million dollar home, etc) if she had instead invested it in the Kingdom of God? And by that I do not mean go on tv and make a big show of it. I mean if she had supported a needy family, payed the way for missionaries, helped a pastor attend seminary, or helped in other ways. Just think of how much better spent those millions of dollars could have been.

    There is nothing wrong with owning nice things. The problem is when it becomes extreme.
     
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    ==I have seen God heal, I have seen God do wonderful things for others, and I have had the honor of being a part of some of those things. I have had God move in my life in wonderful ways (even at this very time). I have had the honor of ministering to hurting people, to those who were sick, to those who honestly need help, and you know what? I don't deserve any credit or praise for any of that. Why? Because it is the work of the Lord, I am just a unworthy vessel. I don't need a stage show, tv cameras, face lifts, million dollar homes, a private jet, or anything like that. In fact no true Christian needs any of that. I don't believe that those who seek the spotlight, who seek fame, are in any way humble. I don't care if it is Paula White, the person down the street, or the pastor of a local church.

    Btw, I have also had the tragic responsibility of cleaning up the mess these false prosperity teachers create. I have seen a Godly, elderly, critically ill lady worry herself to tears because of the lies of Benny Hinn and his like. I have seen what this false health/wealth teaching leads to and I want no part of it. It is unBiblical and it leaves a wake of tragedy behind it.

    I have to wonder, if these folks have the gifts of knowledge and of healing (etc) why they don't use those gifts when nobody is looking. Why do they wait for the tv camera and the stage? Why do these people not go to every hospital in the country healing and helping? I will tell you why they don't...they don't have those gifts. They are false teachers.


    ==She would not heal me or anyone else! God does the healing! No human should dare to be so proud as to take credit for the work of God.

    I don't hate Paula White but I do hate her false teachings.
     
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    On the nose!

    Just looked at Mrs. White's website, and Martin's posted pic looks better than most of the pics there!

    And there is alot of false teaching there, too.
     
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    It is piling on and the motive is clear


    She is going through a divorce and she needs prayer not condemnation, which I think people took an opportunity to bash her while she was kicked down. Why not critique her beliefs before this event in her life. Because it is an opportunity to put her in a bad light while she is down.

    Ms. White is a fellow believer in Jesus Christ she is our sister a fact another fact is that she has helped 1000's who have been put down as well, I think she will do just fine and God will help her.
     
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    I had never heard of, nor seen Mrs. White before this thread.
    Stating fact about her teaching is not bashing.
    It must be a terribly painful experience to go through a divorce. That is the decision that was made by her and/or Mr White.
     
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    Actually, if you do a little search on the board here, you will find a few discussions where her lack of sound Biblical teaching was brought up as well as other issues concerning her even being behind a pulpit.

    And as for her kingdom impact verses someone elses, i don't think anyone here is capable of judging that by any means. But i would suggest that a kingdom impact would require kingdom preaching as opposed to personal prosperity teaching.
     
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    ==I have been critical of Paula White since the first time I watched her preach on TBN. That was several years ago. This divorce, not her first, and the revelations about her lavish lifestyle (while she begs money from low income people) are just adding to my belief that she is a very dangerous false teacher.

    I pray that she either repents or loses her ministry. She has no right to stand behind the sacred desk and preach the Word of God. Why? First women are not to be preachers (really basic stuff here). Second she can't manage her own family (and not for the first time). Third, and most importantly, her her doctrine is poor. Fourth, she lives like a queen while begging money off of people who are normally on the lower side of the income scale.

    ==I don't know that she is a sister in Christ. Because of her false teachings, and her lifestyle, I just can't say with any level of comfort that she is a Christian. Maybe she is, maybe she is just a believer who has gone astray in doctrine and life. I don't know, I really can't be the judge. However her false teachings and her lifestyle make me very uncomfortable refering to her as a sister in Christ.

    I don't know that she has helped thousands. Your statement seems dangerously pragmatic to me. If her false teachings are bringing comfort to people then it is a false comfort not based on the Word of God.
     
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    Still waiting on the explanation as to WHY the picture of Ms. White was "unflattering..."

    Was it before her last plastic surgery?
     
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    I believe the following verse of Scripture is a good description of Paula White, Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock, and others:

    "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you...many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way fo the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep" -2Peter 2:1a,2-3

    Notice that "many" will follow them. Also notice, because of their greed, they will take advantage of people with "false words". These false teachers are not helping anyone. They are taking advantage of the poor for their own personal gain! These false teachers make unBiblical, false promises to the poor (and/or the Biblically ignorant) in order to gain their trust and to get their money. Sure they also take advantage of Biblically ignorant rich folks, but look at the main audience of these false teachers. The large portion is lower income. These people don't have money to spare, yet they give and give to these false teachers. Why? Well first because they are Biblically ignorant, but also because they are being promised all sorts of things. Sadly, for them, the people who are promising them these things don't have the Biblical authority to back up the promises. What are these false teachers? Jude describes them this way:

    "These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you with out fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wondering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever" -Jude 12-13

    I pray Paula White repents, I pray all of them do. However if they don't, the Scriptures are clear. Judgment day will not be a happy day for them. I pray for the many these false teachers are misleading. I pray that these people would turn these teachers off and get into the Word of God. Then, and only then, will they no longer be taken advantage of by false teachers.
     
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