I wish that the Bible would include the question that was asked Paul in which he replied back to them. I think that would clear up many of the confusion between believers. We know that Peter has warned us that people will destort Pauls teaching to thier own destruction. That is a scary thought to me. Have we destorted it by taking away God's love that He showed the world through Jesus or should we just explain away God's love for the world and just limited it by the words of Paul. If God loved the world then He would bring the world hope through Jesus. I have seen through Paul's teaching that there is nothing good in me, that is my flesh. Then he goes on to that my inner man delights in God's law, but the flesh wages war with him. Then he goes on to say who can save me from this body of death, praise be to Jesus. Through those words I do not see that we are totally depraved, but the inner man needs help and Jesus is that help.