Pelagianism

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Is this not the theology that says man can choose God without the Holy Spirit? In the past I have preached this lie because I was ignorant of what I was saying, I was influenced by Arminian like Norm Geisler and Mark Cahill, and I was in error. I will admit that I am not perfect and have not arrived. But thee days I clearly see that man it TOTALLY DEPRAVED and cannot choose God without the Holy Spirit. God brings his converts and man cannot by his own will choose the Holy Spirit.

    I appreciate it when people show me grace and show me through strong arguments of my error. I do not like it when christian condemn me to the fire for being in error in these kinds of matters. I also do not like it when Christians condemn me because I have books by some Arminian. Some on Facebook have been quick to condemn me and I do not appreciate it. This board seems to have more grace and more argumentation over Facebook where I can get unfriended and quickly condemned.
     
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    I pray you do receive grace here, but I will not hold my breath since Calvinism is considered a bad word on this site. God Bless.

    oops, let me edit..you didn't say Calvinism, I assumed it. Do you consider yourself a Calvinist?
     
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    This is non-sequitor because none adhere to Pelagianism on here....or at least I haven't seen one who does.
     
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    I deny Limited Atonement but otherwise I agree with Calvinism, except for Eschatology.
     
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    Do you have even one source showing that Pelagius taught that, or that any Arminian believes that? That charge has been made too many times without anything backing it. I've never heard anyone, ever, state the Holy Spirit is unnecessary in man coming to God.

    BTW, many things are attributed to the error of Pelagius' teaching. I was challenged to find any of his work supporting these charges. All I have found were third hand sources saying what he believed.
     
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    Right. Even Pelagius did not believe what his opponents charge him with. And if I had to choose between him and Augustine, I would choose him because Augustine's pagan-influenced teachings are a blight on Christianity. Fortunately, there are other teachings to choose from.
     
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    Hey, here is a thought. Study the Bible for yourself, follow after the doctrines of God and quit following after the doctrines of men. That ends all the discussion about who follows who and what kind of influence any of them had.
     
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    Allow me to ask you some questions to clarify what I believe to be the REAL issue at hand:

    1. Was the Gospel inspired by the Holy Spirit?
    2. Has the Gospel been perserved over the years by the Holy Spirit?
    3. Is the Gospel today still carried by Holy Spirit indwelled people to the world?

    If you answered yes to all these questions, then how can you conclude that someone confronted by this same Gospel is 'acting on his own' or 'without the Holy Spirit?'
     
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    What he said. :applause::applause::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    I believe Pelagius has been, and continues to be completely misrepresented by his opponents, especially Calvinists. I doubt that many Roman Catholics have ever heard of Pelagius, while I do not know of one Calvinist who does NOT KNOW of Pelagius.

    Source- http://www.libraryoftheology.com/writings/pelagianism/ThePelagianBoogieMan-JonathanDutweiller.pdf
     
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    This would settle a lot of arguments wouldn't it? A men
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  12. evangelist6589

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    Do you read books? Or are you one of those types that says "I do not read books I only read the Bible?" A author may not directly say that, but by what he writes I know exactly what he believes, even if he does not directly claim something. No one deceived will directly admit it.

    Some books

    Conversational Evangelism
    One heartbeat away

    Norm Geisler and Mark Cahill are Arminian and who think that human efforts, methods, evidences, and such are what brings people to salvation. They do not believe in the sovereignty of God in salvation.
     
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    In your first post, you seem to use arminian and pelagian interchangeably. Do you consider then the same thing?
     
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    Yes
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    I am not sure I understand your question. All I know is from what the Bible teaches and that is that God brings the converts and man responds. No I do not believe in hmm.... I am running a blank but the doctrine taught by Hyper Calvinists that God forces people to believe in him? Whats the name of that doctrine? I am running a blank. Quite simple man has some free-will but God takes responsibility for bringing people to salvation.
     
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    Yes it would. On another topic of debate I have had with someone offline this would settle it as this person is following traditions and what the pastor says, rather than what the Bible says.
     
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    No. They are similar however.
     
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    No, I am not opposed to books. I do think what you present is a false dichotomy. Grace is not opposed to effort, grace is opposed to earning.
     
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    Eph 2:8-10 says that Grace is not dependent on myself. Do you not believe this? Yes Grace is opposed to those that think they earn Gods favor by their efforts. Like those that dress up to church everyweek to make an impression on God.
     
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    Which begs the question, which system or person teaches dependence on self?
     
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    My point is the the GOSPEL is a work of the Holy Spirit, so to suggest there needs to be an additional working of the Holy Spirit for a man to believe the GOSPEL seems redundant at best.
     

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