Performance Guidelines for "Lordship" Salvation

There is only one kind of salvation, what you call gospel salvation. It is also eternal. It requires accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. There is no other way set forth in the scriptures. Are you claiming that there is more than one way to reach heaven?

 

I too have the same question as Baptist Believer. Are you saying that some will be saved having never called on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ? I don't read of that anywhere in the Bible. Romans 10:9-10 is very plain and simple. This second salvation carries Calvinism far beyond any Biblical teaching.

 

Lou, LS is new to me. Would you say that JM's views of LS is similar to Bonhoeffer's Cost of Discipleship?

 

This is what he really says in a sermon entitled "true Belief."

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Do you know who the classic illustration of this is? The Prodigal Son. A perfect illustration. The Prodigal Son is a picture of an unregenerate, unsaved person. He was created, as it were, in the world of God. He had a lot of available resources that the Puritans used to call "Gospel Privileges." But he decided that he would walk away from God, turn his back on God, as the son did on his father. And he went off into a far country and he lived and wasted all of his substance, and he just "lived it up." "Wine, women, and song."

He wound up in a pig pen, eating "pig slop." He had all the world's fun, he engaged in all the world's sin. But he said, "I don't need to do this, I am going to go to the father." And he pictures the sinner in the midst of his sin, who is devastated by what he finally has come to understand. He is bankrupt; he is devastated; all the world's pleasure brought him no satisfaction; he is sinful; he is hopeless; he has nothing to show for all of his energy and effort.
He goes back to the father and he is very humble. He comes back to the father and says, "Father, forgive me! Just take me back and make me like one of your hired servants. Make me a slave. I don't deserve anything more than slavery. Just take me back!" What is he saying? I tell you what he is saying, he's saying, "I submit to you!" Isn't he? "And I break my allegiance to my past master."

Secondly, he is saying, "I long for a relationship with you, I want to draw near to you!" Remember he ran up to his son, and what does it say, "His father saw him, ran up to him, threw his arms around him" and did what? Kissed him. The son longed for that relationship. And then what did he say to his father? "Father, I have sinned against you." And what he was saying was, "cleanse my hands and purify my heart." And then as he looked at the misery of his life, he said, "I am worthy only to be your slave." There was a man who humbled himself in the presence of God.

That's the picture of the sinner. Having wasted his life and come up with nothing, he comes back, and he says, "I want to give you my life, you control me, I am the servant, you are the master. I want a relationship with you." He longed for the embrace of the father and the kiss of love. "I want to be cleansed of the wretchedness of my sin. I'm done with the frivolity of life, I want to take it seriously and I want to do my part to serve you, in your house."

And, do you remember what the father did? Did the father say, well reluctantly, "You've been such a wretched guy, but I will let you in." No his father took him in, and what did he do? He said, "Not only will I take you back, you'll not be a slave, I'll take you back as a son." He said, "Get the ring, put it on his finger, get the best robe, put it on his back, call the musicians, get the festival ready, kill the fatted calf, we are having the biggest party we have ever thought of having, because, this my son, who was lost, is now found."

And what is that in James' words? Look at verse 10, "Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and he will tolerate you!" Is that what it says? "He will what?" "He will exalt you!" You see He resists the proud, but He gives grace to the humble. He gives grace to the humble.


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Being humble before God means giving Him all the glory as our Lord. That's what the Prodigal son initially did to his father.

"I want to give you my life, you control me, I am the servant, you are the master. I want a relationship with you." He longed for the embrace of the father and the kiss of love. "I want to be cleansed of the wretchedness of my sin.

But God (represented by the father in this parable) restored him to a meaningful life in Him and saved him from his former dead-end existence.

 

LM,
Thanks, I will study it.

 

Well, since the quote is from p.148 of his book, I thought you might have found what the person was responding to somewhere around p. 148, instead of in the title.

You are correct about one thing. If I am going to find out what the context of the quotes are, I'll have to buy the book.

peace to youraying:

 

There are either two types of salvation spoken of in the Bible, or there is one salvation with two aspects.
Eternal salvation requires nothing from its beneficiaries. This aspect or character of salvation, or this kind of salvation, was planned by the Triune God in eternity past, in order for Him to separate a people unto Himself from the fallen race of Adam.
These people were saved for heaven, not for earth.
This is the salvation spoken of by Paul in Titus 3:5, and in many other verses of similar purpose.
The people who are recipients of this salvation are scattered all over the earth, in all chronological generations, and divided from each other either by race, chronology, politics, economy, religion, creed, tongue, geography, and topology.

On the other hand, gospel salvation, or time salvation, is based on the recipient's faith, repentance, obedience to the gospel and to gospel instruction. This kind of salvation is temporal in character, and depends on the ability of gospel teachers and preachers. This is why Jesus Christ sent out His apostles: to preach the gospel and to teach those they preach to what He, Jesus Christ, has taught (read your great commission and see if any mention of soul salvation is made).

When Jesus said those who believe shall be saved, He does not mean salvation from the wrath of God or from the penalty of sin. He has already done that, and duplicating His work is man's idea, not His. What He meant was salvation from the wrong religions and creeds and beliefs that those whom He redeemed were caught in either by birth, circumstance, or any other earthly reason.

Remember that in His time, only Israel, of all nations in the known Roman and Greek world, and the nations beyond this known world, worshipped the One True God and Creator, and when He came and condescended to live among them, Israel crucified Him, so in essence, there was NO NATION on earth who really knew Christ and the Father save those whom He had gathered together as His first church and as His disciples.

That is why the true Israel is the Spiritual Israel, composed of both Jew and Gentile, and whom He has redeemed already. The eternal salvation of all whom He came to save is a finished deal, but not their timely one, and even this latter aspect of salvation is limited by the ability of His apostles, and thru them, those in the ministry, to reach His people.

Not all to whom the gospel was meant will be reached by the gospel in their lifetime here on earth, but all for whom eternal redemption was authored will be benefited by the eternal character of this salvation.

 

Piney there is no Biblical support for your assertion of two salvations. Romans 10:9-10 is exclusive. You die without havinng acknowledged Christ with your mouth and believed on Him in your heart you are doomed period.

 

start a new thread on it and maybe you will understand what I am saying. You folks do not rightly divide the word and end up accusing others who try to do so of error, blasphemy, or heresy.
Jesus Christ is IN FACT Savior and Redeemer.
Your telling people they need to do or possess something in their part makes him a Savior-not-yet.
I'll be happy to discuss this.
I tried to start a new thead on it a few weeks back but no one seemed to pick up on it.

 

It is not us who is incorrectly dividing God's word. You are adding to it a salvation which isn't taught. Why start another thread advocating an apostate teaching? To me this type of belief is dangerous in that it is extra-Biblical. It is an illogical conclusion to the Calvinist stance. No real need for evangelism if this is true. Preachers, evangelists, and others who share their faith are wasting their time. There are so many problems with this false teaching. No wonder you didn't get much of a response in the other thread. The Bible is very clear. Salvation does require a response on our part and without that response there is no salvation. And, being that this is off topic I won't respond any more. but this type of teaching cannot go unchecked.

 

...and I thought the two salvations heresy was limited to Millenial Exclusionists :tear:

 

With due respect to the OP I have started a thread on this, explaining what I mean, and you all might find it different from what the ME teaches.

 

I think I asked you this once before but exactly where in the Bible does it support the belief that there are two types of salvation?