Peroutka - No Effect

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  1. Hardsheller

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    My quick tally tells me that Peroutka received about 125,000 votes nationwide and had zero effect on the outcome of any state's presidential election.

    I may be wrong with my preliminary numbers but I'm sure someone from the CP can and will give us correct figures.

    If I were him I would move to Ohio or California, two states where he had greatest support.
     
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    He had an effect for me personally - he gave me the option of voting my own conviction, for that I grateful.

    I don't think any supporter ever expected a Peroutka presidency.
     
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    Those 125,000 don't include any of the states that he had write-in access in, the absentee ballots, or the early votes in some of the states that had early voting.

    I think Peroutka had a great campaign, and attracted many new voters. There was over a 522% increase in the number of registered Constititon
    Party voters in Florida since 2000. We also had a 359% increase in the number of votes cast for Peroutka over the number cast for Phillips in
    2000.

    We will continue to work to increase these numbers as we work towards 2006 and 2008!!
     
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    Can you post the figures as you get them so we can all know how it all finally shakes out?

    Thanks
     
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    Will do!! [​IMG]
     
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    Me, too, Roger. He had over 2000 votes in Tennessee. That is 2000 votes the Republican Party will have to notice.

    I would be glad to see the final results, too. Probably, a lot of those votes could have gone to Bush - at any rate, it's a drop in the bucket, but may be enough to make the Republican Party question why some of their supporters went over to the CP. We can only hope.

    As I stated before, I voted my conscience. Had I lived in Ohio, I would have felt compelled to vote for Bush. Living in Tennessee, I knew our electoral vote was not in jeopardy. And I enjoyed hearing Michael Peroutka speak and shaking his hand when he came to town. Anyone was free to go meet him and hear him. Unlike the Republican Party, where they picked and chose who could come and meet the President in Ohio, for example.

    Maybe not in this life. [​IMG]
     
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    Another effect the Peroutka campaign had on me was how so many of my family and friends were quick to turn on me and say very hateful and hurtful things to me simply because I was voting based on my convictions.

    I had one friend of five years email me last night before the polls close to say that Zogby was calling the eleciton for "my man" Kerry, and that I should repent and beg forgiveness from my children and from Jesus Christ.
     
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    I'm sorry, JGrubbs. :(
     
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    That's a wee bit harsh!
    You know what? I voted for Peroutka for President, and I feel great about it! I knew he had no chance and I knew the election would be tight and that Kerry wasn't a better choice than Bush.
    I tried to come to peace with voting for Bush and I could not. I knew that after it was said and done I wouldn't feel right. I voted my conscious too and I am at peace. People can say what they want to and it may hurt Grubbs, but you owe nobody an apology for doing what was right for you. That is their SIN to treat you poorly, especially for exercising your right to choose as you wish. If they are unhappy with that they have every right to move to a country where that is not possible, but as long as they're here they need to respect the right of people to exercise their constitutional freedoms and keep their own spiritual relationship between themselves and God free from guilt.
    You did that, and they're attempting to cause you turmoil because of it. They're wrong. Wrong as Americans and wrong as Christians.
    You're finding out who your real friends are now, and while that's always painful as it always comes with unexpected suprises, you're always better off knowing where you stand with people and who you can trust.
    Gina
     
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    I don't think anyone thought Peroukta would challenge Bush or Kerry. The CP is a third party that is very young. Don't forget the Republican party was a Third Party at one time. A friend of mine says the Constitution Party is the Old Republican party of 20-25 years ago while the current GOP is just a Big Government party. In Louisiana Peroukta finished 4th behind Nader and ahead of the LP Badnarik with 5,248. Now if the CP would only work to get a State party organized in Louisiana.
     
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    If God held us resposible for winning, then it would be different. However, God rewards faithfulness. If all of the Christians that voted for Bush to be safe would have voted for Peroutka, he would have gotten probably 30% of the popular vote and even won a few southern states.
    oh, I was very happy to see that he got 1% in Alaska, which didn't about to much but it was a percentage!
    Voting for a man like Peroutka is first to glorify God with our vote, and second to raise awareness that there is still a few Godly men in the US.
    No one ever thought he would win but it was a successful vote for all who voted for him because they can now have a clear conscience knowing they voted for good and not evil.
     
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    It will take people like you starting a grassroots effort to build the party. The Constitution Party didn't exsist in Florida before 2000, in just four years we have see over a 500% increase. There were over 5000 voters who are not registered with the Constitution Party who voted for Peroutka yesterday.

    I nominate you as one of the leaders to build the party in Louisiana. Here is the contact person, I would be willing to help create a state web site for the party there. It looks like there were over 5,000 voters there who voted for Peroutka who will be ready to help you build the party.

    Constitution Party of Louisiana
    Contact: David Mounts
    Email: [email protected]
    Address: P.O. Box 1092
    Gray, LA 70359
    Phone: 985-872-5016
     
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    God does hold us accountable for all that we do and all that we say. Fortunately Jesus will stand in for us to cover our miserable record of performance and has already given us a completely unjustified pardon from our justly deserved punishment.

    Many Christians voted for President Bush because they believed him to be the best choice either on the merits of his own positions, those of his party, or, maybe, as the better choice between realistic alternatives. Personally, I vote for him for all three reasons.

    A point has been made that the latter reason - the "lessor of evils" approach as it's been named by some - is not a good one and something that God looks upon unfavorably. I disagree! I disagree, first, that the choice is, or was, between two "evils" and I disagree, second, that this, even if true, is not a valid reason.

    I can't say for certain what God decides in His infinite wisdom. I can, however, surmise that He wants me, and all other Christians, to do all that we can to protect and preserve this great nation that He has so richly blessed. I can surmise that the system of government we have has been ordained by Him from its beginnings as a more perfect - not completely perfect - way that other choices before it.

    We have to accept that civil government is not the Church and is therefore imperfect. We have to recognize that our liberties also include equal liberty for those who are not Christian and those who are but view things very differently. Their voices must be heard and considered in the matter of civil government. We have to understand that we can only influence the direction of our government towards Christian values but we can not legislate it and mandate it upon everyone else.

    We have just been faced with a choice by which our government could have been taken farther along a course of rapid decay by a candidate and his party - in this case John Kerry and the modern liberal Democrats - that had a high possibility of winning the election and gaining more control. It is and was, indeed, the right thing for Christians to stand "against" such a candidate and such a party as much as it is, and was, to stand "for" another who may also have faults but be far closer to staying the course which we desire.

    We should seek out leaders to hold public office who are Christians - and I believe President Bush is such a person - because, in this way, their actions will be governed by their faith in God Almighty albiet they are themselves imperfect. Some of the third party candidates might also have met that qualification. However, we need to make sure such persons can actually attain the office and actually have the ability to execute the job if chosen. President Bush fit these conditions as well.

    I will join with another sinful man like me, whether Christian or not, to stop an evil act - whether an injustice, a serious crime, or a political choice - where it benefits all involved and moves us closer to righteous conduct. By doing so I do not have to endorse or reject his beliefs or worship his god. In may respects I don't even have to know!

    I fought in a war side by side with men of many beliefs and some of none at all. I was glad they were there with me and fighting for the same cause. It did not occur to me at the time to inquire as to their beliefs. It did occur to me to pray that God would watch over me and get me through it all.

    Patrick
     
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    It's interesting that many use the "don't vote for the lesser of evils" arguement, forgetting that their third party candidate (regardless of who it is) is another evil on the ballot. No matter which name I chose, I would have voted for what would have been the lesser of the evils.
     
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    That's a very concise statement of the truth! We as humans have to judge the degree of "evil" among for our time here on earth, while God sees us all a the rebilous sinners we are and yet He provided a way through Jesus Christ that we are pardoned of it for an eternity. That's really amazing!

    Patrick


     
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    When you define "evils" as being sinners then you are correct, but when you define "evils" as being whose policies will ignore the US Constitution and destroy our Constitutional Republic, then you have to admit that the two evils would be Bush and Kerry in this election.
     
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    Sorry to hear that, Jonathan. It's what happens to people when they give themselves over to idolatry.
     
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    Yeah, sure. Idi Amin, Mother Theresa, Saddam Hussein, and Billy Graham are all sinners, and therefore roughly equivalent. :rolleyes:
     
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