personal vendettas

Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by EdSutton, Apr 25, 2006.

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  1. EdSutton

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    Why is it that since I've been on the Baptist Board since around the first of 2006, not one single topic on Bible versions has managed to exceed six pages of discussion? It seem that almost any topic about a translation has degenerated into railings and personal attacks? Frankly, I see no need for this vitrol, when something constructive could be learned if one stayed on facts, not opinions.

    In His grace,
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  2. EdSutton

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    Moderators and Administrators can feel free to close this early if it is considered off-topic.

    In His grace,
    Ed
     
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    It's quite a touchy subject to many, myself included.
     
  4. DesiderioDomini

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    I think it is the frustration of the evasiveness of the KJVO.

    I think if they were more willing to answer questions, then the frustration level in this forum would be seriously limited.
     
  5. Forever settled in heaven

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    cld u be more specific, Ed?

    i'm all for the facts.
     
  6. DesiderioDomini

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    Ed,

    Please show me a KJVO on this board who has any desire whatsoever to stay with facts, rather than opinions.

    Isn't that the entire reason why KJVO exists, opinions over facts, faith over truth?
     
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    Simple answer:
    There is a five page limit on each thread on this forum. [​IMG]
    Those discussions that go on longer do so by the grace of the moderators.

    Rob
     
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    Thank you, Brother EdSutton. It was a couple of weeks past
    the quarterly Version/translation FOrum
    self-introspection topic. (Well more like 5 or 6
    times a year, maybe bi-monthly?)

    My problem probably stems from the way we worked
    the bulletin boards 22 years ago. The charge was by
    the minute connected (and with the 300-baud modems /compare
    to 100,000 baud cable modems today/ that was LOTS of time.
    SO one brought one's comments, uploaded them, downloaded some
    words and got off. Here is how I generally operate on
    the Bible board:

    Day one - people post on a new topic.
    8AM on day 2 - I download these comments
    8PM on day 2 - I compose answers to those comments
    8AM on day 3 - I upload my responses.

    As can be seen, i'm two days behind. Some Version/translation
    topics don't even last three days. I destroy more of
    my version/translation writings than I post :(
    (of course, some might LIKE THAT [​IMG] )
     
  9. KJVBibleThumper

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    Man, things have changed somewhat around here but some things always stay the same. [​IMG]
    Statements like this are what keeps many of us away as this is not an attitude conductive to argument.
     
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    cld u be more specific, Ed?

    i'm all for the facts.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Merely check the closed topics and see how many have been closed by moderators for personal attacks, some not even getting off page one. It is not only in this section, just more prevalent than some others. However, I've seen some sections that had few, if any, threads closed for this type of attitude. Somehow, I tend to find that it is not a necessity for the attitudes presented in some of the posts, therefore.
    In His grace,
    Ed

    Ed
     
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    KJVO is not worth fighting for or against. But that's beside the point of this thread. Posts are usually closed due to posting of rhetoric malevolent to the body of Christ, something with which you are deemed to be quite familiar.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with a good spirited discussion. However, far too often one side or the other begins to call the other names, attack their choice of Bible translation, or starts implying that another is unsaved, ignorant, or less spiritual because of their views.

    Once that happens very few have the maturity to take it on the chin, report the post, and go on. Instead there has to be a retaliation.

    Once that happens the escalation has begun, neither side will listen to a warning, and closure follows.
     
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    I find it funny that I am accused of being "malevolent", yet no one can say that I was wrong.

    Sometimes, the truth just isnt sweet. When it comes to normal discussions over various issues BESIDES KJVO, there is rarely a problem.

    The problem nearly always starts when a KJVO makes a claim that they refuse to discuss honestly. All christians are bound by their claim, and thats final.

    Like it or not, its simply the truth.
     
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    This might be an oversimplification, to limit this to some perceived KJVO flaw. I see sometimes rhetoric that drowns out argument, not to mention Scripture and facts, as well, in some other threads, notably of the "C" vs. "A" posts, as well. Again, I simply fail to see the need. It's hard for me, at times, to hear what is being said, for the deafening, cacophonic ringing due to how it is said.

    Ed
     
  15. KJVBibleThumper

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    Okay,since no one has said it, you are wrong. [​IMG]
    Statements like "The problem nearly always starts when a KJVO makes a claim that they refuse to discuss honestly" demonstrate the problem I found on this forum, namely that it is very hard to get a non-KJVO to politely and reasonably discuss his belief.
    I spent months on here arguing, usually with only one or two on my side and dozens against me. I have been called "foolish", "fanatic", "bigoted", "unchristian", and many other things that there is no point in bringing up. That is not reasonable argument from a non-KJVO, that is pure and simple foolishness.
    I spent weeks on various papers and posted them on here and the result was that most of the non-KJVO people immediately dismissed the sources on various pretextes. It was very hard to get one to actually discuss the subject matter.
    I do not have the time anymore to put up with such foolishness which is why I stopped posting.
    Now, to be fair there are people on here that do not agree with me that are enjoyable to argue with, Ed Edwards for one. (And Ed, if you are reading this, the 1611 KJV you sent me, I still am enjoying it, and having fun playing with it. [​IMG] )
    Not all anti-KJVO are unreasonable and some are fun to argue with, but they are too few and far between and I frankly, do not have the patience to put up with it anymore.
     
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    Are we attacking a group of people here? I thought that was against the rules. Isn't the proper method to attack the philosophy instead of those holding to the philosophy?
     
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    Both sides are guilty of the same offences. The answer to the OP is that neither side seems able to discuss this issue as mature Christians.

    Both sides bait and then attack. Both sides generalise and catagorise. Both sides resort to name calling and attacks on Bible versions. Both sides tend to think that the moderation is biased against them.

    Evidence here - in just the last few posts both sides have blamed the other for the regular closure of threads. It is always "their" fault.

    Until we grow up and learn to discuss the issue with grace and love, this kind of thing will continue and threads will continue to be closed.
     
  18. DesiderioDomini

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    How many threads have I personally been involved with KJVO and after several pages, they still refused to offer any evidence for their claims? I know for a fact that those threads were civil, respectful, and clear.

    I have found that it doesnt matter how nice you are....there isnt a KJVO alive who has any "reason for the hope you have".

    Can you show me one, and prove me wrong? If not, I am certain you can just say "meaniehead" and be done with it.
     
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    That is exactly what I am doing. I can possibly see how those are attacks. It is the philosphy of KJVO to make claims, then appeal to faith, and force others to agree or be wrong.

    This is the MO of every KJVO I have ever read or heard. The KJV is perfect because it is, and the MVs are wrong because they are.

    Has any other evidence ever been provided? Has anyone shown any evidence as to why the alexandrian manuscripts MUST be corrupt, and the Byzantine are not? No, only guesses.

    Therefore, it is the methodology, and not people, I am attacking. However, I am unaware of a single KJVO alive who does not use this method. Nothing would please me more than being wrong there, though.
     
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    Thank God for some sanity in here from C4K. You are doing a great job of shutting down the usual suspects on both sides who lack maturity and grace. You are keeping this valuable forum from degrading into the mess that so often happens when we Baptists disagree about something.
     
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